ISIS: The Fourth Reich?

I first heard about this idea via my Word Press reader when I found willisbryanblog: The Coming of the Fourth Reich.

There are certainly connections between Islamic terrorism and Nazism.  Books have been written that document these connections!

[Update: Book excerpt and HT for graphic: HERE]

Today, I received an email from Act for America which linked to the original source of this information which is found at The Daily Mail.com UK.  Upon doing a search with the term “ISIS: The Fourth Reich”  through Start Page, I found over 83,000 results!  Therefore, this story took off like a firestorm ever since it was originally published on March 21, 2015.

Excerpt from The Daily Mail article:

The Nobel Prize-winning author V.S. Naipaul has warned that Islamic State are the most potent threat to the world since the Nazis.

In a hard-hitting article in today’s Mail on Sunday, the revered novelist brands the extremist Muslim organisation as the Fourth Reich, saying it is comparable to Adolf Hitler’s regime in its fanaticism and barbarity.

Calling for its ‘military annihilation,’ the Trinidadian-born British writer says IS is ‘dedicated to a contemporary holocaust’, has a belief in its own ‘racial superiority,’ and produces propaganda that Goebbels would be proud of. 

A long-term critic of Islam as a global threat, he also challenges those who say the extremists have nothing to do with the real religion of Islam, suggesting that the simplicity of some interpretations of the faith have a strong appeal to a minority.

The author of A House For Mr Biswas, who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2001, is known for his sharp views.

Read it all at The Daily Mail.com UK.

Months ago, Glenn Beck did a story on the desire of ISIS/ISIL to collapse the Sykes/Picot agreement that was created after World War I.

This previous post entitled The 100 Year-Old Agreement You Need to Know About to Understand What’s Driving the Islamic State will catch you up to speed on Sykes/Picot and exactly why such an agreement was made in the first place!

Via Free Republic, I found the following photo with quite a disturbing message!!!

Wow!!!  Notice the date on the illustration! Read the comments there, too. Chilling!

Take note of these two:

To: C19fan

Imagine a world in which the president of the United States is “sympathetic” to Islamic terrorism, who aids, abets and excuses Islamic outrages, and never misses a chance to denigrate the state of Israel.

19 posted on ‎3‎/‎23‎/‎2015‎ ‎8‎:‎54‎:‎16‎ ‎AM by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)

Hmmmm….looks like I’m not the only one who calls “O” “Zero.”

To: C19fan

Obama’s Arab “Spring” is exactly the success he dreamed of.

20 posted on ‎3‎/‎23‎/‎2015‎ ‎9‎:‎02‎:‎54‎ ‎AM by Pollster1 (“Shall not be infringed” is unambiguous.)

Also, for one dollar you can view Glenn Beck’s Armies of Armageddon

Glenn connects the dots between Russia, ISIS, and coming global conflict.

I have shared several links to read, plus a video to view. However, I agree with willisbryanblog when he states that “The Fourth Reich” would most likely go through a name change. No group – no matter how nasty, evil, and filled with terrorism – wants to be “outed” as another Hitler Nazi-type regime. Besides, the Islamic “titles” always have radical Islamic intentions behind them (e.g. “Boko Haram” means “no education” and ISIL means “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.”  Note: The “Levant” includes Israel!)

Excerpt from willisbryanblog:

One tactic and tool a tyrannical despotic ruler could use was a Nationalized Police Force, sort of like the Gestapo. Another would be a “secret police force”, where one citizen would spy on another citizen and report back on any activity the government thought to be anti-what ever the case may be that day. The most useful tool would be a “national registry”, where all citizens are required to produce their “papers” at the request of some bureaucrat or nationalized police.

Hmmm… I think I recall Ozero stating that America needs a “military-like civilian national security force” of some sort.  Oh yes, Ozero made the statement way back in July of 2008!

Exclusive: Joseph Farah exposes senator’s desire
for military-sized ‘civilian national security force’

Published: 07/15/2008 at 12:00 AM

Read more at WND

Back to willisbryanblog excerpt:

The national registry could be established in many ways, but the easiest is mandatory voting. If everyone that is eligible to vote has to vote, everyone must register. But, even this draconian measure would only net a portion of the population. It would only be a partial list, registry, as only those eligible to vote would be registered, but this would be a huge start. But how to finish the registry? That would be easy in a tyrannical despotic empire. All that would be required is for some bureaucrat in an agency that oversees travel to come up with a requirement for in-country travel papers, an in-country passport. That would only require a triggering event, such as a terrorist attack, even if it were staged. It would then be required for safety and security. The government would say they are only looking for suspected terrorists, and the terrorists would not have an in-country passport. If you are not in possession of one you must be a terrorist.

Ah yes! Ozero more recently discussed the need for “mandatory voting”, until it was found out that it might be raaaacist! [This just can’t be made up people!!! *sigh*] The more proper objection is found at the end of the article:

Fox News reports that Frank Askin, a law professor at Rutgers University, argues:

“I don’t think you can do it in this country because I don’t think the First Amendment would permit it…People have a right to opt out of elections.”

No one can accurately predict the impact of mandatory voting, but any such mandate would be likely to face a constitutional challenge if attempted.

willisbrianblog excerpt:

The Fourth Reich is coming, of that you can be sure. Maybe it is already in existence, though yet early in its founding. When it is fully formed for the world to see it will be given a more sanitized name than the Fourth Reich. There is probably some bureaucrat sitting in an office in the Department of Slogans that is busy working on a sanitized name, while another bureaucrat in the Department of Scams is busy working out the final details of it implementation. The whole thing will come under the control of the Department of Misery, formerly known as the Department of Fairness and Equality.

Like I stated earlier it will not be in Germany, and not in Europe. Where will it be you ask? To that I say stay informed.

Hat tips to all links.

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No matter what is happening in this fallen world, there is the hope of Jesus Christ!

How To Know God Personally [Click on link to discover the principles!]

What does it take to begin a relationship with God? Devote yourself to unselfish religious deeds? Become a better person so that God will accept you?

You may be surprised that none of those things will work. But God has made it very clear in the Bible how we can know Him.

The following principles will explain how you can personally begin a relationship with God, right now, through Jesus Christ…

Report: Iran’s Supreme Leader Hospitalized in Critical Condition

Arutz Sheva – Israel National News is reporting that Iran’s leader has been hospitalized and is in critical condition!

Excerpts:

Arab media reports Ayatollah Khamenei brought for urgent care in Tehran after several of his body systems fail.

By Ari Yashar

Just in time for Purim, the Jewish holiday celebrating the redemption of the Jewish people from plots of genocide in ancient Persia, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was reportedly hospitalized in critical condition on Wednesday.

According to Arab media reports cited by Israel Hayom, Khamenei was urgently brought to a hospital in Tehran after several of his bodily systems had already failed.

[The] reports add that the 76-year-old supreme leader of the Islamic regime has undergone surgery and remains in critical condition.

The hospitalization comes just days after Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu addressed Congress on Tuesday to warn of the existential threat to Israel and the world that Iran poses, urging America to avoid the deal being formed on Iran’s nuclear deal ahead of a March 31 deadline for talks.

[Khamenei] has threatened Israel with destruction numerous times in the past; last October he used his annual message to Hajj pilgrims heading to Mecca to call for Muslim unity to bring Israel’s “annihilation.”

And last November he launched a series of anti-Israel Tweets, writing in one “This barbaric, wolf like & infanticidal regime of #Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated.”

[Iran] is the largest state sponsor of terrorism, and as Netanyahu noted in his speech, has seized influence in Yemen through the Houthis, Lebanon through Hezbollah, Iraq by taking a lead role in the ISIS fight, and Syria by propping up President Bashar al-Assad militarily.

Maybe Prime Minister Netanyahu’s speech before the Joint Session of Congress and millions of Americans (plus hundreds of millions around the world!) was too much for this radical Islamist and state sponsor of terrorism?

What a coincidence it might be if he dies on or close to the Jewish holiday of Purim!

Nah…I don’t believe in “coincidences” when it comes to something this important! It’s more like God’s will coming to fruition.

Zec 2:8

For thus says the LORD of hosts: “He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.

Hat tip: Israel National News.com

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How To Know God Personally [Click on link to discover the principles!]

What does it take to begin a relationship with God? Devote yourself to unselfish religious deeds? Become a better person so that God will accept you?

You may be surprised that none of those things will work. But God has made it very clear in the Bible how we can know Him.

The following principles will explain how you can personally begin a relationship with God, right now, through Jesus Christ…

Islam Rising – Wreaking Havoc, Evil, and Death!

Recently, I watched one of the most important television broadcast episodes of Jack Van Impe’s ministry that I have ever viewed!  I would like to encourage EVERYONE to view the program at the link below because it covers the recent horrific attacks on Jewish Rabbis in Jerusalem, as well as the error of so-called Christian “leaders” at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. where Muslims were allowed to put down their prayers rugs (IN THE CATHEDRAL!!) with their BACKS to the cross and/or any emblem of Christianity – while they faced Mecca.  My Bible believing Christian brothers and sisters – did you EVER IMAGINE that such a heretical and blasphemous act would be allowed to happen in a United States Christian church???

Here is the link to the episode:

The Gospel.com: Jack Van Impe Ministries Media player.

This ministry is one to view each week! The combination of today’s headlines and the application of the Bible and Bible prophecy is excellent – and will help you to understand and discern the signs of the times that we are experiencing today.

Here is their mission statement:

Our Mission Statement

To spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ (I Corinthians 15:3,4), the message of His soon return (Titus 2:13), and the truth of the Bible (II Timothy 3:16) to all peoples in all nations (Acts 1:8) using all available resources to bring Him honor and glory (Colossians 1:18).

Proverbs 3:6: In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths(KJV).

Statement of Faith:

Our Statement of Faith

We believe in the verbal inspiration of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments; the Trinity of the Godhead; the creation of man by the direct act of God; the fall of man and his need for redemption; the Deity, Incarnation and Virgin Birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; His vicarious atonement for the sins of mankind by the shedding of His blood on the cross; the resurrection of His body from the tomb; His ascension into heaven; His personal, imminent return; the Deity of the Holy Spirit; justification of the believer by grace through faith; a literal devil who is our adversary; a literal heaven for the redeemed and a literal hell for the lost; the infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture to be Scripture itself; and the requirement of implicit obedience to the expressed commands of Christ as the standard by which He will judge our love to Him.

Also see the complete article at the Detroit News website:

Detroit News – Nolan Finley: Cheers for synagogue killing can’t be forgotten.

Here is a copy of this brave writer’s article:

The acts were horrific enough: Four rabbis and a police officer hacked to death with meat axes while worshipping in a Jerusalem synagogue. It doesn’t get much more disgusting than that.

Until you see the photographs of Palestinians lining the streets, waving axes and gleefully cheering the slaughter. Even worse than the act was that reaction.

As poisoned as the killers must have been by mind-rotting hatred, those who stood and publicly praised such a grotesque spilling of blood are just as sickening.

It is their adulation of murderers that allows the murder to continue; their refusal to shun brutality that enables the brutal to act in their name.

Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, quickly and rightly denounced the attacks on behalf of those of his people who are sickened by the bloodshed, as a civilized mind demands them to be. But he also took the opportunity to demand Israel stop “invasions” of the Al Aqsa Mosque in the Old City, as if Israel was the provocateur.

Hamas, Abbas’ terrorist bedfellow, issued a statement in solidarity with the demons whose demonstrations sent the message, “Jews were chopped to pieces in a temple! Fabulous!”

You have to ask, what sort of evil drives such an outpouring of joy over the deaths of clerics at prayer? You should be asking, what sort of nation would support such a twisted people?

The United States, for one.

Our country, in direct violation of its own laws, continues to send dollars to the Palestinian Authority, even though Hamas is fully integrated into its leadership.

President Barack Obama condemned the killings as “horrific.” But he couldn’t let it rest there. As always, he lapsed into moral equivalency. Noting that too many Israelis and Palestinians have been killed in recent months, he called on “both sides” to cooperate in lowering tensions and rejecting violence.

To even suggest this act of rabid terror was an outgrowth of the political conflict and an answer to it can be found at the negotiating table is to be complicit in the crime itself. That sort of moral wobbling and outright naivete contributes to the endless killing.

This act was driven by a 100-proof strain of hatred poured into a vulnerable populace until they’re so drunk on it they’re capable of committing even the most barbaric act.

We can’t pretend that peace is possible until a cure is found for that disease. Israel knows the truth — as long as Hamas lives, its security is always at risk. Hamas doesn’t want an independent state; it wants the complete eradication of Jews in the Middle East.

That’s why Israel risked another war this spring with the intent of smashing Hamas once and for all. That intention was thwarted by the hand-wringing of Obama and other world leaders, who begged Israel to show restraint, to stop short of its goals.

On whose behalf were they intervening? Those same monsters who stood in the street and hoisted hatchets in celebration of the murders of religious men, butchered while communing with their God.

Next time Israel must go to war to stop Hamas’ random rocket attacks on innocent civilians, it should rent billboards throughout the world on which to post photographs of those axe-waving maniacs.

nfinley@detroitnews.com

Hat tips to all links.

For more information regarding the FACT that Muslims do NOT worship the same God as Christians, please see:

Why Muslims Don’t Worship the Same God as Christians.

Copy of that post, including the comments:

Thursday, July 22, 2010

Why Muslims Don’t Worship the Same God as Christians

While sharing comments at Sarah Palin’s Face Book page, I pointed out to a young man who had written that “Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same God” that he is incorrect. I referred him to an essay I had written back in 2006 at my Talk Wisdom Discussion Forum. I thought that it might be a good idea to share it on this blog so that when you encounter people (even some Christians!) who state that “we all worship the same God,” you can be armed with the truth.

Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?

The short answer is no! The bottom line is this – Hal Lindsey does not believe that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews and I agree with him and his reasoning on the subject.

However, I also realize that some Christians do differ on this issue. In fact, President Bush once stated (incorrectly, IMO) that Islam worships the same god as Christians and Jews. I disagree and I will share many reasons that will explain to you why this is not possible.

First, a summary:

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is co-equal with the Father. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all by dying on a cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heavens glory and will return again, to earth, to reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. (Matthew 1:22-23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; John 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14, 15; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; Romans 1:3,4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6:14,15; Titus 2:13.)

The Koran denies that Jesus is the Son of God although it describes the virgin birth in a passage similar to Luke 1:26-38 (Surah 3:45-47) (Note: Surah is in the Koran).

The Koran calls Jesus a prophet, equal to Abraham, Jonah and others, but places Him in rank far below Muhammad. Surah 4:171 says that “Jesus…was only a messenger of Allah…Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son.”

Muhammad totally ignored the claims that Jesus made about Himself. Jesus said, for example:

“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).
“Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).
“Before Abraham was born, I am” (John 8:58).

The Bible also states that God Himself called Jesus His Son (see Matthew 17:5).

Demons trembled as they recognized the Son of God (see Matthew 8:29).

Doubting Thomas acknowledge Him as “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28).

John identified Christ as the author of creation (John 1:1-5); so did Paul (Col. 1:15-17) who also said, “In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Col. 2:9).

The only way to deal with this kind of evidence is to do what Muhammad did – simply ignore or deny it. Islam denies Jesus Christ’s Deity so they do not worship the same ‘god’ in their god of Allah.

Next, a response to someone who thinks Allah and Yahweh are one in the same.

In response to an individual who was attempting to equate Allah with Yahweh, I wrote the following response and included some comments from others who agree with my stance:

What Muslims believe:

“Christ, the son of Mary [note: not as the “son of God”], Was no more than A Messenger; many were Messengers that passed away Before him [here, equating Jesus with mere Messengers, or perhaps prophets, but certainly not the Son of God]. Sura 5:75, Abdullah Yusef Ali, 10th ed. reprint, 2001.

“The similitude of Jesus Before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust . . . “. Sura 3:59. A subsequent “created” man, like Adam. Not God.

What Christians believe:

However, “And the angel [being Gabriel, the same angel that allegedly dictated the “Holy Koran” to Muhammad] answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35, KJV).

The Scriptures refer to Christ as “the seed of the WOMAN,” knowing that no woman has any seed. The seed has to come from the male; Christ, as the Word incarnate (John 1:14), in an INCORRUPTIBLE SEED (1 Pet. 1:23) not like unto “corruptible MAN” (Rom. 1:23). Not like Adam, a created man who was not the son of God.

Thus, it comes down to a choice between these two disparate positions.

Either God showed up in the flesh, or he did not.

At this point in history, that makes you either believe God’s inspired Scriptures testifying of himself in the flesh, or Allah’s declaration that he did not visit in the flesh nor will he return once again.

The Koran indicates there WAS AND IS NO SON OF GOD in the flesh at any time. Muhammad thus cuts off the Isaac line through David to Jesus by God acting through Mary, and substitutes the illegitimate Ishmael to substitute himself for Jesus Christ as the New Testament “Comforter”.

Jesus would then have been the son of Joseph (a corruptible man, dead and buried without resurrection), and therefore could not be the Son of God.

What does that make Muhammad?

I realize that some readers will regard this as harsh. I am just sharing the truth of the matter.

We are warned about such non-scripture by Paul when God cursed Muhammad (and any angel with whom he was consorting) for preaching “another gospel” (Gal. 1:8-9).

Below, are more differences that I have gathered through other’s postings. (I will include first names or screen names only)

1. Muhammad sought earthly power and riches, including women from conquest. Jesus taught us that the Kingdom of Heaven is not of this world, and he gave up His life, via a gruesome Roman execution, so that we all might live again in the Kingdom of heaven, with all the angels and saints. And a final human act of murder and self-destruction will not gain one access to that Kingdom of Heaven, much less 72 dark-haired perpetual virgins. No, allah and God are quite different beings, with different requirements for believing in them. (contributed by John)

2. No Muslim believes that Jesus Christ in the trinity is one with God and God. Therefore they do not worship the same God. Allah does not reflect John 1:1 at all. Hence the reason one can not preach the teachings of Christ around Mecca. (contributed by Merle)

3. It is TOTALLY ILLOGICAL to say the god of Islam and God of the Jews and Christians are one and the same. Islamic scripture KORAN and Hadith is rife with Allah’s disdain and hate of the the Jews and Christians. It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to hate the people (Jews and Christians) He created. Therefore Allah of Islam and God are not the same. (contributed by Paul)

4. To base arguments on the superficial use of the word ‘God’ misses the mark entirely. Even cults use the word ‘God’. It is true that Judeo-Christian and Islamic beliefs have Abraham in common. From there though, Islam takes every Judeo-Christian belief and turns it upside down. (contributed by Terry)

5. Perhaps I can fill you in on some key points as to why I have trouble (with anyone who holds the opinion) that Allah is the same God of the Bible – God of Christians and Jews. First we need to be careful to resist our natural urge to claim common ground for the sake of unity and peace. Instead we need to look at historical facts and religious aims to see whether such commonality is possible. And we need to proceed LOGICALLY. The question we are asking is : Who is Allah? Here we are asking who Allah, the God of Islam is. We are asking who is the Allah god muslims worship to?

The Koran points out that Allah is the same as the God of Jews and Christians ( “the People of the Book”) And muslims claim their faith as “the faith of Abraham” in one Creator God. So the question is settled? Well, not so fast!

As well meaning religious people, we like to see unity and peace. And we like to establish commonality with our neighbors. However to answer this key question, we need to be more objective. So let’s clear up our mind and approach this question from the standpoint of a new muslim convert who is being introduced to Islam. What is the most important statement of Islam? It is the Shahada: That there is no deity but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet. This all important pledge states that Allah is the only God there is and Muhammad is his prophet. If you say this before two witnesses, you become a muslim. This all important claim of Islam DEFINES Allah.

Note that there are two parts to Shahada – “Allah is [the] only God that exist[s]” and “Muhammad is Allah’s prophet”. In other words, Shahada states “There is only Allah” but who is this god, Allah? “Allah is Muhammed’s God” because Muhammad is his spokesman (prophet).

So the fundamental axiom of Islam DEFINES who Allah is. Allah is the God Muhammad worshipped! And this is a point that ALL MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, AND JEWS CAN AGREE ON.

Allah is the god Muhammad worshipped. This is how we should clarify who Allah is. This statement: “Allah is the God Muhammad worshipped daily” is a statement we all agree on.

Now we examine cold and hard historical facts. Was Muhammad ever a Jew? Nope. Was Muhammad ever a Christian? Nope. In fact, historians would agree that Muhammad was an Arab pagan who worshipped at Kaaba temple of Mecca. And he worshipped the supreme deity of Arab paganism – Allah of Mecca. We know that there is connection between the God of Christians and the God of Jews BECAUSE JESUS HAS BEEN A JEW AND SO WERE ALL EARLY CHRISTIANS. We can safely say that Christianity is a branch, if you will, out of Judaism because all early Christians were Jews and Christians accept Jewish Old Testaments VERBATUM.

By the same key criteria, we cannot say that Islam is a growth out of Judaism nor Christianity. Muhammad had never been a Jew nor a Christian and Muslims do not accept the Bible verbatum. Instead Islam AIMS TO REPLACE THE BIBLE WITH THE KORAN. Because they believe that the Bible is full of errors while the Koran is the perfect book from the Heaven.

So let us summarize the above point why Allah is not the same as the God of Christians and Jews.

a. “Allah is the God Muhammad worshipped.” If you want to talk Islam, you have to start from the Shahada. If you are unwilling to see the meaning of Shahada, we are talking at cross purpose. Shahada says that Allah is the God Muhammad worshipped and he is the only God there is. All other deities are idols to be denied and oppressed. (This is a point that all Muslims, Christians, and Jews can agree on. )

b. Muhammad was an Arab pagan who worshipped at Kaaba temple of Mecca. (This also is a point that all can agree on. ) He was and never had been a Christian nor a Jew.

c. Therefore, Allah is NOT the God of Christians and Jews. (contributed by Jay)

I am very politically aware of what is going on in the world today. In fact, here in America, as long as your god is just a word, the world has no problem with you. However, mention the name of Jesus Christ and they do have a problem. Why is that? Why is Jesus so offensive to those who do not believe in him?

Perhaps you already agree that we Muslims and Christians do not worship or serve the same God.

Christians believe in the Trinity (I John 5:7). God the father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

“If you have seen me you have seen the Father” (John 14:9).

In non-theological words, Jesus is God revealed to us in the flesh. Muslims do not believe in the same god, that is the God of the New Testament Bible. Let’s just call it like it is. People must not try to trivialize our differences for the sake of peace.

When I was debating an individual about this topic, at the very beginning I had stated, “Since you are using a book – Koran – that I view as an improper addition to the Bible, anything I might say to rebut your allegations will probably not be accepted by you.

I do not say that the Koran is an improper addition to the Bible with a mean-spirited goal, it is just the truth as I see it being a born-again Christian. The Bible gives us a double warning in Revelation 22:18,19 not to add nor subtract from what is written, therefore, any book written after Revelation would be adding (and, in some cases subtracting, according to what is written in them) to God’s Word which we are told not to do according to these verses.”

With that said, I will share a few points regarding his dismay when I called Ishmael illegitimate.

I am currently in the middle of a Bible study on the book of Genesis. Here is a partial recap of chapter 16:

Here we find Sarai and Abram frustrated by the passing years without a son. So they devise their own strategy for “fulfilling” God’s promise–and reap the consequences. Read Genesis 16.1.

It has been ten years since Abram and Sarai entered Canaan. What action does Sarai how suggest (16:1-2)?

Suggested Abram sleep with her maidservant to build a family through her.

2. What do you think this indicates about their trust in God?

They doubted that His promise would be fulfilled without them stepping in and “helping it along” the way. Sarai influenced Abram to commit adultery. (Another point to recognize is the name changes of both Sarai and Abram to Sarah and Abraham before Isaac was born; but even more significantly this occurred after Ishmael was born. A name change in Scripture is quite significant in that it indicates a great change in the path of the person. We see this in the New Testament when Saul was renamed Paul after his encounter with Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus and thus his conversion from not only just Judaism, but from being a persecutor of Christians to becoming one of the greatest apostles for Christ!)

3. How can our impatience with God’s timetable lead us into unbelief and even disobedience?

It led to the sin of adultery in order to get the child they so desperately wanted. In fact, God did come through later with the conception and birth of Isaac.

7. Ishmael means “the God who hears.” What does that reveal about the outcome in 16:15-16?

The Lord heard the child and Hagar’s misery. Even though He told her the good news that He would increase her descendants so that they would be too numerous to count, He also told her the bad news; that Ishmael would be Gen 16:12- “And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”

This is indicative of the hostility we have seen between Arabs and Jews throughout the centuries. We also see it in the radical fringe of Arab/Muslim terrorism going on around the world. (This is not to say that ALL Arabs/Muslims are terrorists because of course they all are not, but to point out that the hostility predicted in this Biblical account has come to fruition down through the generations and can be seen today as a result of this prophetic description of Ishmael in Genesis 16:12.)

I WILL REPEAT FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY. I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL MUSLIMS/ARABS ARE TERRORISTS!

In Chapter 17 we see that God’s one and only covenant is revealed through Isaac. I have already included the Bible verses in previous posts.

Lastly, at my Bible study this past Tuesday, we ran across the following verse that reveals an astonishing truth about which son God Himself recognized as Abraham’s “only son.”

In Genesis Chapter 22 verse 2 we read:

“Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.”

Of course, we know that God provided a substitute for Isaac at the last moment by providing a ram caught in in a thicket by its horns (verse 13). This was a foreshadowing of the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus Christ for the sins of mankind at the cross.

But notice also that God said that Isaac was Abraham’s only son. Thus, we recognize Isaac’s line in succession to Jesus Christ, not Ishmael’s line of descendants.
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Christine

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. Colossians 2:8

The eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth to show Himself strong to those whose hearts are fully committed to Him. 2 Chronicles 16:9

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Update:

My Face Book friend, who happens to be a Christian biblical scholar from Australia – Bill Muehlenberg – has written two excellent essays on this topic. Please read them and be educated on this issue!

Culture Watch Blog: No, We Do Not Worship the Same God

Culture Watch Blog: What to Make of Allah

Posted by Christinewjc at 7:23 PM

Comments:

comments:

 

GMpilot said…

Christianity and Islam do have at least some things in common.Both believe in a despotic deity; both have been dealers in, and receivers of, persecution; both have a deep hatred of any social or political system that functions without (their) god; both wish to stop time and revert to an ‘ideal’ period that never was; both have no use for modern science unless it can be used to further their own beliefs. Above all, both religions are so unsure of themselves that their followers feel they have to make the world into their own image.

If an imam and a pastor were to find themselves stranded somewhere, they would soon discover they had much more in common with each other than with any of their assemblies. That would be even more evident if someone like me were there, too. One would gladly sit on my chest while the other (facing Mecca, no doubt) sliced my throat.
You may claim that Christians and Muslims don’t worship the same god, Christine, but both of them, as well as the Jews, all claim Abraham as the founder of their religion. Can’t deny the ancestors.
I say: a plague on both your houses.

July 23, 2010 at 12:10:00 AM PDT 

 

Christinewjc said…

It’s amazing to me, GM, that after all of these years you still display so little true knowledge about born-again Christians.Your opinions about “what both religions have in common” are just that – your opinions. However, you can’t just come here and wave away what was written about the differences. You are making the same mistake that Muhammad did –

“The only way to deal with this kind of evidence is to do what Muhammad did – simply ignore or deny it. Islam denies Jesus Christ’s Deity so they do not worship the same ‘god’ in their god of Allah.”

That’s a HUGE difference. Oh – and even you made a comment about another big difference:

“One would gladly sit on my chest while the other (facing Mecca, no doubt) sliced my throat.”

P.S. Where did I deny Abraham as the lineage used by Muslims for their religion? Did you not read the portions where this is explained in detail?

Also, like a rebellious child you would make yourself to be your own ‘god’ and claim a plague on Christians and Jews and Muslims. How tolerant of you! /sarcasm off

 GMpilot  said…

I didn’t come in to wave the differences away; I simply point out certain traits both religions share. Both the imam and the pastor would cooperate in destroying me—and my destruction is something their god has been known to demand. It doesn’t really matter who would cut my throat; but I know when a Muslim sacrifices an animal, he faces Mecca.What I said was “a plague on both your houses”, not “all your houses”. Earlier, I stated ”…both religions are so unsure of themselves that their followers feel they have to make the world into their own image.” Religion, especially Christianity/Islam, is always about which will have supremacy: ‘my god and my faith’ vs. that god and that faith. Since both claim descent from Abraham, some compromise should be possible; but because this is religion, it can never happen (at least, not without some ‘miracle’ that either side always speaks of).

I do not think ‘tolerant’ means what you think it means. You tolerate a head cold. You tolerate a neighbor’s barking dog. Christians (and Muslims) tolerated Jews in their communities…except for those times when they didn’t. That kind of ‘tolerance’ is a weak-kneed definition…and it’s the kind no one wants.

July 23, 2010 at 9:23:00 AM PDT 

Gary Baker said…

GM,?I’m never sure whether to attribute your comments to ignorance or unreasoning hatred, but either way they are just as full of crap. For example, every comment you made in your first paragraph can more properly be attributed to modern secular liberals. The major difference is that their despotic deity is either themselves or the state.

While imams have been known to execute people recently, I don’t think you would find anyplace where a majority or even significant percentage of Christians would utilize violence in that way. On the other hand, atheist regimes all through the twentieth century were remarkably practiced in using violence, starvation, threats, etc., as a method of ensuring conformity among the populace.

As much violence as has been attributed to God, it is the godless who excel far beyond the dreams of the most fervent inquisitor.

 Christinewjc  said…

Great response, Gary. Thank you for your efforts to try and get through GMpilot’s ideological blinders. Trouble is, he’s such a strong hater of the God of the Bible, it appears that his fate is sealed. He despises Christians (and Christianity in general), and thus hates Christ. Unless he decides to humble himself and repent, Im sorry to say that I believe that he will end up spending eternity spewing the same ole’ rhetoric.What a wasted life…

July 24, 2010 at 9:09:00 PM PDT 

GMpilot said…

You’re absolutely right, Christine. I shouldn’t hate the God of the Bible. I should instead mock him, hazardous though it is, ’cause tyrants can’t stand that.
Perhaps I shouldn’t even do that. Perhaps I should just ignore him.Trouble is, his fans (that’s you) won’t let me do that. They threaten me with everything from social ostracism to ominous warnings to death, both physical and metaphorical.
I don’t hate Christ; I’ve never even met the guy. But if I have to judge him by the words of his fans on this blog…I remain unconvinced. And unrepentant.I’m glad to see your champion has returned to do your talking for you.

July 26, 2010 at 9:44:00 AM PDT  

Gary Baker said…

GM,”Perhaps I should just ignore him.

Trouble is, his fans (that’s you) won’t let me do that. ”

Really? So someone or some people on this website are compelling you do something, anything, with regard to God? Considering we don’t even have the power to make you visit the blog, I think that claim as ludicrous as the rest of your comments. As for tyrants hating to be mocked, you should certainly know. Atheists are quite adept at putting them in power. Perhaps that’s the true reason why some many atheists are atheists – they simply prefer tyrants to those who offer mercy.

I’ve never claimed the role of champion of anything, though I do enjoy the ability to combat ignorance such as you and Kevin display on a regular basis. Perhaps if you could obtain someone to champion your cause, someone a bit less ignorant, the results you get might be more satisfactory.

Nahhhhh…..

July 26, 2010 at 9:16:00 PM PDT

So What’s the Difference Between the Christian and the Jew?

H/T for graphic: alifetimeofwisdom.com

Actually, Christians and Jews share a LOT of history together.  There are many things that we have in common than what we disagree about.  One thing that we have in common is the fact that our nation was built upon Judeo-Christian tradition of values, ethics, and faith!  Those who would wish to change or reject the values, freedom, justice, and liberty imbedded into our Founding documents; or would attempt to re-write history, are sadly and horribly misguided.  They are hopelessly mistaken, too.  But I digress.

Before I get to the topic, I wanted to state that due to the abandonment of signing in and posting at my former Talk Wisdom blog, many followers there are not aware that I have moved my blog over to Word Press.  It’s funny.  Back in the early days of posting over at blogger, I felt like I was “talking with myself” because no one knew that blog existed in the vast online world.  In a way, I feel like that today.  Ever since I came over to Word Press (since Oct. 2012) my blog has had few visitors.  But that’s OK.  Sharing God’s Word and reaching this fallen world with the truth is a passion of mine.  Perhaps this blog will be built up over the next few years.

However, I still can access the traffic at my former blog via the Hi Stats link I can still access and see what people are searching for online.  It’s amazing to see how previous posts there are still being researched and influencing people who visit.

Recently, Hi Stats revealed that a few people have been interested in reading Refuting Anti-Zionism

I decided to read through that post and the comments again, in order to refresh my memory about what was written.

It is interesting to note how views about Israel and the Jewish people vary according to one’s ideology.

Liberal Americans often reject Zionism (therefore, they are anti-Zionist about the position, influence and especially God’s Word regarding the land of Israel and Her place in the world); but are fiercely protective of Jewish people when it comes to anti-Semitism (discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.) Still, there are liberals who support Islam above and beyond all other faiths, and therefore, they could be anti-Semitic as well as anti-Zionist. [Note: to understand the differences, it would help to read the link above for detailed information.]

I’m not exactly sure of where the BHO BADministration fits into this scenario. They have many leftist Jews on their side, yet the BADministration’s terrible treatment and disrespect of Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and their coddling of Iran’ Mullahs shows how they disregard God’s Word and plan for the nation of Israel. Within that previous post, you will read about a devout Jewish group who are also anti-Zionist, plus, they even visited with the former Muslim fanatical leader of Iran, Ahmadinijad, in support of Iran’s maniacal views of Israel!! When I read that and saw the video, I couldn’t believe my eyes! Here’s the excerpt and link to video:

Pam, I recently learned about a devout Jewish group that gave Ahmadinijad of Iran some kind of “award” back in September, 2007for his efforts in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict!  If you want to read about it, here’s the link:

Talk Wisdom:  Banned Video! MSM Won’t Show This!

Learning about these particular Jews helped me understand why so many of them supported Obama and the leftist Democrats!  Jews can be anti-Zionist too.

Here is a direct link to the video at Before It’s News:

Banned Video! MSM Won’t Show This! This Is How Peace Is Achieved!

Now, the Rabbi in the video who totally believes what he is preaching, makes a distinction between Judaism vs. Zionism.  It is his desire for peace in the land.  We all want peace, of course.  Isn’t it every beauty pageant contestant’s dream (and answer)  in response to “what they want  most in life”  – world peace?   Nothing wrong with that.  However, the Bible is clear about just when, and ultimately, how peace shall come to Jerusalem.  It is when the King of Kings and Lord of Lords – Jesus Christ – returns to establish His kingdom on earth for 1,000 years!  Of course, no Jewish person would agree with that.  However, the Zionist Jews DO appreciate the friendship, love, loyalty, and support for their nation Israel, and our Christian REASONS for doing so – even if they don’t believe that Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be the Son of God.

In Fritz Ridenour’s book entitled, “What’s the Difference,” he has an entire chapter on explaining the differences between not only the three main Jewish levels of faith (namely, Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform) but he also shows how Christianity is eternity connected to the Jewish roots of the Bible.

In the remainder of this post I will include a few excerpts from the book:

Judaism, the religion of the Jews, is built firmly on the Torah or Law.  This Law had been given by God to Moses.  At that time God promised that if the people would obey the Law they would be blessed.

After the Law came the prophets.  These spokesmen for God stressed the importance of justice and love.  They placed this far above keeping petty rules and regulations.  Micah expressed it in these words, “What does the Lord require of you?  To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”  (Micah 6:8)

Both Jews and Christians can agree with that.  In fact, Christians believe in everything as it is recorded in the Old Testament.  The one point that is disagreed upon is just who is the Messiah?

Before I share more about that question, here is another excerpt from Ridenour’s book:

Christians share a great deal with these Jewish people.  To begin with, we share the Old Testament and its teachings.  We share a belief in the same God – a God of holiness, justice, purity, righteousness and unity.  Both faiths gladly proclaim, “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength”  (Deut. 6:4,5).

The moral and ethical teachings of the Bible are part of the Jewish and the Christian heritage.  Both accept the Law as given by the living God who created the world and is still the Lord of creation.

There are many more similarities between Judaism and Christianity:  the need to worship Godm the importance of the family, the obligation to love others.  Many Jews accept Jesus as a great prophet and find good things in His teachings.  But this is as far as they will go.

There is SO MUCH MORE that I could write about Jesus being the “great divide” between Judaism and Christianity. But there is one big reason why some Jews at the time of Christ’s ministry on earth, rejected Him.

It is a fact that the Old Testament prophets spoke of the coming Messiah (literally an “Anointed One”) or Christ. Ridenour writes:

He (the Messiah) was spoken of by the Old Testament prophets as one who would redeem His people from their sins. But by the time of Jesus, tradition and petty legalistic interpretation of the Scripture had watered down belief in original sin and man’s need for personal salvation. As a result, many Jews were looking for a national deliverer. They looked for a warrior-king like David who would drive out the hated Romans and restore the nation of Israel to its ancient glory. When we realize this, it’s easy to see why many were disappointed by the humble Man of Galilee.

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah – the Son of God. Christians see the Old Testament prophecies (over 300 of them!) as being fulfilled in Jesus – especially the “suffering servant” written about in the book of Isaiah chapter 53. Many of the 300 prophecies about the coming Messiah of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus Christ. The rest will be fulfilled at His Second Coming.

Ridenour wisely states:

So what’s the difference between the Christian and the Jew?

The question of Jesus: Was He the Messiah as He claimed, or was He an impostor? Argument cannot settle this question. Each of us (whether Jew or Gentile) must look carefully at Jesus and answer the question for ourselves. Should we accept Him as Messiah, as the Savior and Lord who was promised by the Old Testament prophets? As the Christ of prophecy, He stands ready to receive all who believe in Him. “For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile — the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him” (Romans 10:12).