“Obsession” With Bible Prophecy?

I don’t recall reading too many articles where the Christian author seems to discourage studying, writing about, and sharing Bible prophecy.  Well, that changed today when I read this:

Obsession With Bible Prophecy – The Devil Loves It

I will admit that I don’t know much about the author. His bio says this:

Chuck Baldwin – is a radio broadcaster, syndicated columnist, and pastor dedicated to preserving the historic principles upon which America was founded.

About Us “Chuck Baldwin Live” aired its first program on August 1, 1994. The broadcast originated as a Radio Talk Show and continued in that capacity for eight years. The current format of the show features a recording of Dr. Baldwin’s sermons and commentaries that are heard 30 times a week on 12 radio stations in 5 States, including Northwest Florida (from Destin, Florida to Mobile Alabama) and Southern Alabama (including Evergreen, Greenville, and Monroeville), parts of Central Florida (Deland area), Lynchburg and Martinsville, Virginia (including Roanoke, Virginia and into the Triad area of Winston/Salem, Greensboro, and High Point North Carolina), and in Utah (between Salt Lake City and Las Vegas). CBL is constitutionalist, Christian, pro-life, pro-traditional family, and patriotic. We support constitutional government and the Bill of Rights. We hold fast to the principles and values expressed by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence.

OK…he’s a pastor? Well, it’s often not surprising that some pastors choose to ignore the book of Revelation. I have been in a church where the pastor happened to refuse to include the study of Revelation in the sermons. I didn’t bother to ask why because I quickly left that congregation.

I found the link via a blog called, “Freedom Is Just Another Word.”

Since there was no section for comments at the original author’s site, I wrote the following at the linked blog:

christinewjc

August 18, 2016 at 10:59 am

Wow! Went to the author’s website and the article was quite harsh! If we aren’t supposed to look at, study, and share “the signs of the times” for the additional purposes of sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the warnings with the lost, then why does Revelation 22:7 tell us – “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”???

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25 Responses to ““Obsession” With Bible Prophecy?”

  1. GMpilot Says:

    What is ‘quickly’ to a being who is eternal?

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    • christinewjc Says:

      From David Guzik’s commentary:

      i. The word quickly in the ancient Greek isn’t exactly the same as our word for “quickly.” “The word ‘quickly’ might with accuracy be rendered ‘suddenly.'” (Morgan)

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      • GMpilot Says:

        The word is more akin to “suddenly”, eh? OK, I accept that.
        Just for reference, what edition of the bible are you/Morgan/Guzik using?

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      • christinewjc Says:

        It doesn’t really matter. Notice that the commentary states, “in the Ancient Greek” the word used was closer to the meaning of “suddenly.”

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  2. Black3Actual Says:

    Christine,

    Since the Lord gave us prophecy, and the Lord said to study it (in part, so we will know He is God), anyone who tells us to do otherwise should be kept at arms length as they are most likely of Satan (yes, even pastors can do Satan’s work).

    Some 1/3 of Scripture is prophecy. Prophecy starts in Genesis and ends in Revelation. Why would the Lord give us so much of it if we are not supposed to read and study it?

    Seriously, I would close my ears to such people. The key is to keep prophecy in its proper place and context. So long as it builds up and strengthens our faith, it is good. But when we use it in a way that tears down and weakens, then we have a problem.

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    • christinewjc Says:

      I have seen many pastors over the past 10 years go “according to the wisdom of man” and ruin their church congregations through their mistakes. Even a pastor that our family really admired (a church where we attended for 10 years) turned away from the truth. He used to say from the pulpit, “If there is anything that I preach here that is not truthful via the Bible, please tell me.” He later fell into the errors of Rick Warren’s harmfully skewed ideas! Also, the church “leadership” thought it would be a good idea to remove the beautiful, scrolled and huge name of Jesus from the wall behind the pulpit and put in a third big screen! This happened about 3 years ago and I saw the change during a Good Friday service in 2013. Never returned after that! I recently heard that many attendees complained and they now have the name on the big screen. Not good enough! There were many things that the church leadership did wrong, but I won’t bore you with the details.

      That Chuck Baldwin guy’s radio show isn’t here in CA. And after reading what he wrote about prophecy being an “obsession,” I’m glad his radio show isn’t here!

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        I understand. I have been watching a similar change in our own pastor. He does not teach anything that is not Scriptural so much as he leaves out “the other half.” You know? One of those pastors who will preach about the promises and love, but neglects the warnings and consequences? Well, about half of everything Christ told us was a warning of consequences, so here again, I distrust ANYONE who refuses to give them equal time. It is — I believe — as you say: adapting the reasoning of men and not the ways of God. 😦

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      • christinewjc Says:

        It must have something to do with the “seeker sensitive” preacher movement. Just as “political correctness” rules today, in certain churches they don’t dare “turn off” or want to “offend” anyone; which is ridiculous at its core! How will the unsaved learn the truth about their need for repentance at the foot of the cross of Jesus Christ if they are not told the truth about their unconfessed sin leading to eternal life separated from God?

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        I’m not sure if it is political correctness, a worry over chasing away their tithe base or an aversion to the FULL message of the Gospel. All I know is, the more I study, the more troubled I am by leaders in the Church who refuse to warn the flock of the price for disobedience. I fear we are creating too many ‘licentious’ members of the Church (the ‘I’m saved, now I can keep living the way I always have’ crowed). Unless I have TOTALLY misread the Scriptures, this is NOT the saving faith we need to have. It is the health-wealth and prosperity Gospel of men (Christ called them wolves in sheep’s clothing).

        At the same time, I know I have to guard against letting my concern become an unjust obsession. ALL things have their place, and we must work to keep them all in their places 🙂

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      • christinewjc Says:

        You are absolutely correct! Fear of losing money from the congregation is the real reason that they may use the excuse of being “politically correct.” Plus, that Johnson ruling all those years ago stifles free speech on politics from the pulpit.

        Why have so many churches fallen for the “syncretism stew” fallacies where they are led astray and ignore the command to “teach Jesus Christ and Him crucified?”

        When I was “church hopping” to find a new church home, a pastor at one church made comments that sounded like he was creating a cult atmosphere within the congregation! My husband and I became alarmed by this and decided not to attend anymore. Also, I once noticed him going off on a tangent about Christians “secretly” looking at (and becoming addicted) to porn. I may have read too much into it, but it sounded to me like he was including himself; and in a round about way, confessing being in that addiction. Made me cringe in my seat! I could be wrong about that pastor, but the truth is that there are many Christians who are addicted to porn! So sad and devastating on so many levels!

        As you wrote in your comment, the “refusal to warn the flock of the price of licentious[ness]” along with the “health-wealth and prosperity “gospel” of man is definitely the “wolves in sheep’s clothing” scenario that Jude warns us about in Scripture!

        When I just revisited the Syncretism Stew post, I noticed your comment there. Yes! We all need to be wary of not falling by the wayside through due diligence in recognizing, and avoiding, those who would take us astray from the true Gospel of Christ!

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        I think we (as believers) need to keep something in mind. As bad as pornography is, Scripture teaches it is equal to all other sins. Why do I say this? Because I find myself focusing on the sins I think are ‘worse’ and forgetting that God does not see sin that way. He sees them all as equal. So I wonder, how many sins do I commit in my daily life, but I never notice them for what they are? When I look to the way Jesus defined sin in the Beatitudes, I realize I probably break all but the 1st Commandment ON A DAILY BASIS! Now, if we (those of us who sincerely try to obey) are missing sin in our life, how much more difficult is it for those who want to try but do not know what sin even is?

        Anyway, I guess my point is this: as bad as pornography is, we should not rank it as ‘worse than’ our other sins because, when we put sin in an order of worse to not so bad, we open the door to sin by taking our focus of of ‘the lesser sin.’ God does not see sin this way, but Satan knows we do, and he uses that against us.

        BTW: you are going to like the last three posts on The OYL — all posted today 🙂

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      • christinewjc Says:

        I certainly understand that. I have never met anyone who could pass “The Good Test!”…including me!

        Perhaps I am wrong to think that a pastor needs to be held to a higher standard? Perhaps he was referring to his former life before Christ? He has admitted to being “wild” in his younger days.

        I understand that we all have the “daily dirties” of sin in our lives, and just like confession and repentance from any sin is needed, the same can be said of the sin of porn.

        We ALL need to be reminded of what Paul wrote:

        Rom 6:1

        What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

        Rom 6:2

        God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

        Rom 6:3

        Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

        Rom 6:4

        Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

        P.S. I will read your posts when I get back from errands today!

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        No, I agree: we should hold our leaders to a higher standard, but that should not keep them from being our leaders UNLESS they refuse correction (Paul is the guide here). Remember, Jesus told us we are not to be like the world, with a hierarchy among believers. Well, since the Catholic Church, Christianity has been this way (bishops, popes, etc). It is “supposed” to be only teachers and elders, but how many congregations are constructed this way today?

        As for our leaders, my point was this: maybe we have a leader who struggles with porn. But if this is the only area where that leader has real trouble, how should we view the pastor if another leader (maybe the associate pastor) has trouble with greed, gossiping, coveting, making material things into idols and disrespecting his parent, but because none of it is porn, we see him as “better” than the pastor who only struggles with porn? Do you see what I am saying?

        Maybe this is just me sharing my internal struggle to be more gracious to ALL because of my own sin? I don’t know. I guess I am just thinking out loud with you. Just glad I am doing it among friends within the body as the world would not understand 🙂

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        My P.S. my latest post speaks directly to your citation of Paul 😉

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      • christinewjc Says:

        Yes, of course I see what you are saying. Sin is sin is sin!

        I recall growing up in the Catholic church and the claim was that there were “mortal” and “venial” sins. The first being more dangerous than the latter. But all that changed for me when I started reading and studying the Bible!

        That lesson has taught me to be wary of false teachings in the Christian churches. Some false teachings are more obvious than others…but the subtle false teachings can fool many more people and put them on the wrong path.

        At the time that the pastor in that church spoke of the sin of porn, he also spoke in a way that my husband and I felt was very cultish. That was a turn off!

        Anyway, family stuff kept me busy this weekend so I will go over and read your new posts now!

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        Christine,

        I was also raised Catholic, and though it took me a while to find my way home, even as a child, I knew there are serious problems within the Catholic Church and its doctrine. To put it bluntly, the Church is apostate — period! This is not to say there are not saved people within the Catholic church. I believe there are. But I also believe the Church is in apostasy.

        As far as false teachings — especially the subtle ones — we are in total agreement. 🙂

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      • christinewjc Says:

        Ah…so you understand what I went through. Several members of my family are die-hard Catholics, but I try to share snippets of the Bible with them that they are not getting via the Catholic church. It’s hard for some to ever come out of the claim that Roman Catholicism is “the one true church.”

        I have friends who have been born again in Christ, but still attend the Catholic church for the sake of other members of the family. Neighbors of mine attend both Catholic and Christian churches. We did that for a while when it came time to “train up our children in the way they should go.” We all concluded that the non-denominational Christian church was the way to go!

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        Non-denominational is the True Church. Christ did not teach faction; He taught unity. And when we read the Apostles’ letters, they are all urging believers to remain united. Satan is the one who sneaks in and tears the body apart, and those believers who think that separation is a solution are aiding Satan in this effort.

        I suppose this is why Christ said the peace markers are blessed: because they serve to keep the body whole whereas others tear it apart. But, to be honest, my struggle is in what to do when you believe the Church is not teaching the WHOLE Gospel? Do you leave, which divides the body, or do you speak up, which causes strife and division? All I know is, if I stay, I cannot remain silent anymore than Paul did 😦

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      • christinewjc Says:

        Agreed! There are not many non-denominational churches listed on the “syncretism stew” list.

        The liberal churches, IMHO, are expected to be devoid of the true Gospel of Christ. They cannot tout the open sins that they “celebrate” and be true to the Scriptures at the same time.

        It’s sad to realize that there are many who are intent on tearing the church body apart.

        Trouble was brewing at the church we used to go to even before the removal of the large, cement, and scrolled “Jesus” banner. Rick Warren’s teachings invaded the church and when I approached an associate pastor about a problem I had noticed, he did NOTHING! Didn’t even get back to me regarding my concern. That incident was the beginning of the end of our over 10 year attendance. Irresponsible spending was another problem at the church.

        I’m glad to read that you refuse to remain silent! Scripture tells us how to deal with strife and division. If legitimate concerns are addressed and heard, but only brushed off by the leadership then it’s likely time to move on.

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  3. GMpilot Says:

    CJW: Perhaps I am wrong to think that a pastor needs to be held to a higher standard? Perhaps he was referring to his former life before Christ? He has admitted to being “wild” in his younger days.
    Well, since you didn’t ask him, who could have told you, I can’t understand why you’re asking here, where none of us can tell you. Oh, but perhaps it’s not “politically correct” to stick one’s nose into a pastor’s business.
    I think anyone in a position of authority needs to be held to a higher standard, but especially those who claim to represent the Lord of the Universe. They, more than anyone, should know how frail and deceitful the hearts of men are…and then, there’s pastors such as Jimmy Swaggart. I hear he ranted about porn, too…right up to the day they caught him at it.

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    • christinewjc Says:

      I was asking Joe about the concept of pastors being held to a higher standard. What’s wrong with that?

      GM wrote:

      Oh, but perhaps it’s not “politically correct” to stick one’s nose into a pastor’s business.

      Yeah…I can see how well that would have gone over!

      Swaggart and other “TV types” are not examples of pastors who are right (or, even qualified as in the case of Joel Osteen) to be preaching to Christian audiences. Many are only interested in the $ they can make.

      Jesus told us to “beware false prophets” and informed us that “by their fruits you shall know them.”

      Mat 7:15

      “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

      Mat 7:20

      “Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

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      • GMpilot Says:

        CJW: I was asking Joe about the concept of pastors being held to a higher standard. What’s wrong with that?
        Absolutely nothing. You may not have noticed, but I agreed with you.
        You also asked “Perhaps he was referring to his former life before Christ? He has admitted to being ‘wild’ in his younger days”, and I simply pointed out that you never bothered to ask him. Since you haven’t gone back to that church, you’ll never know for certain. Nor do you actually care, since you didn’t like the ‘cult atmosphere’ he seemed to be creating among his congregation.

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      • christinewjc Says:

        Our son, who is a devout Christian young man in his 30’s, is actually encouraging us to go back to that church. It is a newer and smaller congregation and the pastor’s teaching was filled with “meat” rather than the “milk” often given to new believers. I really liked most of the sermons. But those two incidents bothered both me and my husband.

        Our son recently told me that perhaps we should give it another try. Maybe we were too hasty in departing. He and his wife live further away now and that church is a longer drive for them. They found another church that they like where they live.

        As far as approaching the pastor and asking him specifics is concerned, we had not been attending very long and neither one of us had developed any type of relationship with him. I spoke with his wife once, but we didn’t get to the “meet and greet” session that was held once a month. It is for those reasons that I didn’t ask him such questions. It would have been the first time we personally “met” him and I don’t think that would have been appropriate!

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      • Black3Actual Says:

        A VERY good evangelist friend of mine (he has built a congregation of several hundred YOUTH — and he teaches the True Gospel, not the watered down version so many think of today) — anyway, this friend of mine has tried to help me with my trouble over whether or not to leave my own church. He tells me that the remnant must stay in the church — to infest it like a virus (but he knows he actually means to be a little ‘good’ yeast within the body of deception that is the modern church).

        Not sure if this will help, but at least I know you will understand the message 🙂

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      • christinewjc Says:

        Yes Joe! Thanks! It helps to hear good advice from other evangelist Christians. I certainly do understand the message.

        Admittedly, it can be difficult (more like intimidating) to approach a pastor with the questions that were on my mind. Perhaps if we go back, attend the next “meet and greet” and get to know him, his wife, and many other congregants, then that might be the time to bring it up?

        We were introduced to some friends of our son when we attended there for several months. The people there are from all groups, but most are younger. Well…at our age most ARE younger anywhere we go…LOL!

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