Had a good conversation with a wonderful friend of mine who is a staunch Trump supporter. She did admit that Donald “stepped in it” when he commented on the subject of abortion and said that if abortion was illegal again here in the U.S., the woman “should be punished.”
I told her that my fear about Trump is that he might turn out to be a Democrat Trojan horse candidate running for the purpose of sabotaging the Republican party nominee in order to get Hillary elected.
She said that she doesn’t trust Ted Cruz (well, with Trump calling him “lyin’ Ted” all the time, I can see why) and she doesn’t like the way he looks or talks.
But what about the issues?
We didn’t get that far because at that point I mentioned that Trump’s adult children appear to have been raised well. I didn’t hear anything about them getting into trouble like Al Gore’s son did when he was arrested twice for illegal drugs. Hopefully, the guy has turned his life around.
It is interesting to note that Trump doesn’t drink alcohol. Hopefully he doesn’t take drugs, either.
She said that Trump’s kids are wonderful people and are an asset to his campaign.
I mentioned that I saw one episode of this year’s “Dancing With The Stars” when the contestants chose to dedicate a certain dance to someone (or more) who meant a lot to them in their lives. Contestant Doug Flutie’s story and dedication was quite the tear jerker (his father died and then his mother also died – presumably of a broken heart – later the same day). How tough was that to take?
Marla Maples (Donald’s second wife) is also a contestant and she dedicated her dance to her daughter, Tiffany. It is always very sad to hear stories about parents who divorce when their child is only five years old. Apparently, Tiffany was well cared for by her mother and financially cared for (via father Trumps money) when it came to her schooling. According to this article, Tiffany and her dad lived on opposite coasts so he was probably more of an absent father due to this fact.
I asked my friend whether or not she heard anything about Tiffany supporting her father in his efforts for the Republican presidential nomination, and she told me that she has been seen (occasionally) on the campaign trail.
We got on the subject of Trump’s faith, and I shared with my friend the research I had done on him (some of which is in this post).
My friend didn’t know this information about Trump, (especially the point that Trump doesn’t see the need to ask God for forgiveness) and being a devout Catholic I think that it concerned her as it has concerned me. However, I did say that we aren’t electing a “pastor in chief” and she agreed with that. I stated that in the Bible, God has used non-believers to carry out His eternal plan. We know from history that many of these types of leaders (the various “isms” like communism, Islamism etc.) have wreaked havoc upon their own people. The Bible warns us about the adversary, Satan who comes to “steal, kill, and destroy” through the use of such evil leaders. God can use even this as a form of chastisement to turn people back to God.
My question. Do we need more chastisement after the last 7+ long egregiously aberrant years under the current hoax and chains administration?
Another question.
What type of leader would Trump be?
I don’t really know.
What I DO know is that if the Republicans pull a stunt at the convention and somehow “choose” someone other than Trump or Cruz, all hell would break loose! If Hillary gets in because of such a dysfunction in the Republican party, we would end up getting at least four more years of 0bama.2!
But…what if Trump is mimicking how 0bama fooled us almost 8 years ago with his “hope and change” meme?
Trump wants to “make America great again,” but what exactly are his policies? How does he propose to fix the problems? I haven’t heard enough substance from him on the issues to have any confidence in him as the Republican nominee.
Well, I don’t know what the immediate future holds regarding this election, but I DO KNOW Who holds the future; now and through eternity!
Elections come and go. Government leaders live, then die.
Eternity is in the Hands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ! He is my refuge and strength!
Psa 28:8
The LORD is their strength, [fn]
And He is the saving refuge of His anointed.
Psa 46:1
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of the sons of Korah. A Song for Alamoth.
God is our refuge and strength,
A very present help in trouble.
Psa 62:7
In God is my salvation and my glory;
The rock of my strength,
And my refuge, is in God.
Psa 62:8
Trust in Him at all times, you people;
Pour out your heart before Him;
God is a refuge for us. Selah
Psa 71:3
Be my strong refuge,
To which I may resort continually;
You have given the commandment to save me,
For You are my rock and my fortress.
Psa 62:7
In God is my salvation and my glory;
The rock of my strength,
And my refuge, is in God.
Pro 14:26
In the fear of the LORD there is strong confidence,
And His children will have a place of refuge.
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April 10, 2016 at 9:24 pm |
Your friend was right. Trump ‘stepped in it’ when he declared that the woman who gets an abortion should be punished. If he were revolutionary, he’d demand that the man who got her pregnant should be punished! If a woman is pregnant who doesn’t want to be (why else should she seek an abortion?), then clearly a crime has been committed, namely rape. I’m sure that you and your friend could suggest a better option. Hopefully it’s not the option that Exodus 22:16~17 does,
Is there any evidence that Trump might be a Trojan horse candidate running for the purpose of sabotaging the Republican party nominee? I don’t think he actually wants to be president; I think he wants to be able to say that he could have been president, ’cause he’s so smart and so hard-chargin’ and ’cause everyone loves him.
You may have also noticed that the Republican party has done a splendid job of sabotaging itself. Remember how crowded the field was ten months ago? Unlike 2012, you’ve been rather quiet about this season’s lineup, but it’s come down to these:
–a blowhard billionaire whose rhetoric might work on bullying millions of immigrants and political refugees, but won’t necessarily impress Britain or Germany or Israel, and almost certainly will fail with Russia or North Korea or Iran;
–a Dominionist zealot who successfully shut down the nation he now seeks to lead. A man who says he didn’t come to D.C. to make friends, and succeeded beyond his dreams. A man who told a child at a rally “your world is on fire” and talks of “carpet-bombing ISIS into oblivion.” God will not destroy the world, but his believers just might;
–and the ex-governor of a midwestern state who come into office with fellow TEA Party members, signed the Contract on—sorry, with America 21 years ago, yet claims to be impatient with ideological purity. Compared with the two above, he sounds like the sanest person in the bunch…and of course, he has no chance to win.
CJW: …I mentioned that Trump’s adult children appear to have been raised well. I didn’t hear anything about them getting into trouble like Al Gore’s son did when he was arrested twice for illegal drugs.
Then I suppose you never heard about those Bush girls, either…with legal drugs. How quickly some forget!
My question. Do we need more chastisement after the last 7+ long egregiously aberrant years under the current hoax and chains administration?
My answer: was his predecessor any better? And why are you questioning your omniscient god?
Another question.
What type of leader would Trump be?
I don’t really know.
Well, we agree on that. But is that a good “I don’t know” or a bad “I don’t know”?
What I DO know is that if the Republicans pull a stunt at the convention and somehow “choose” someone other than Trump or Cruz, all hell would break loose!
WHY? Reportedly both Rmoney and ex-running mate Ryan are waiting in the wings, ready to ride out and “save” the GOP from Hillary and Trump and Cruz. You wanted them four years ago, so why not now?
It seems the ‘Pubs have to decide who will do the least long-term damage to their brand, and they seem to have settled on Cruz. Trump is no politician: an advantage on the campaign trail, but a potential disaster in office. Cruz is a politician; he’ll know the rules when he decides to break them (and he will), but the nation can survive that.
Trump wants to “make America great again,” but what exactly are his policies? How does he propose to fix the problems? I haven’t heard enough substance from him on the issues to have any confidence in him as the Republican nominee.
Gee…you mean the elect might be fooled again?
But if you’d really like to know, here’s what one very conservative columnist had to say about him. IMO, he was wrong on only one point.
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April 12, 2016 at 2:04 am |
I wasn’t questioning God, per se, but wondering out loud if America might still be ripe for more chastisement due to the continual barrage of sins (not only allowed and being perpetrated by the current perps in office), but also those being promoted, approved, and even celebrated by much of the public.
Found an interesting article called Evangelicals Divided: A Movement Fractured, Part 2
Found this excerpt which agrees with my evaluation of Trump’s views regarding what he thinks makes a Christian (including himself) vs. how those who are born-again, Bible believing Christians view the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The “when voting” portion of the article describes the reason why I could never have voted for 0bama. The pro-life issue is one of the strongest reasons to eliminate a person from consideration for president (IMHO).
It is interesting that the author discusses voting for the lesser of two evils.
Excerpt:
I know about Bill Muehlenberg via his blog. He is a great Christian moral thinker. However, each of us has to decide for ourselves whether or not to “choose the lesser evil.”
In my post, I mentioned God using pagan kings to accomplish His Will. This author states (in the Character Counts section) that perhaps evangelicals see Trump as similar to Cyrus:
The “syncretism stew” that Trump offers deeply concerns me. I’m sure that it concerns millions of Bible-based Christians as well.
Excerpt:
All Christians can take comfort in that fact! However, there are times when God will chastise a nation and her people in order to bring them back to Him
Ultimately, our hope does not exist in political leaders!
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April 12, 2016 at 2:09 am |
Visitors should also read:
Berean Research: Evangelicals Divided, A Movement Fractured, Part 1
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April 17, 2016 at 7:16 am |
Hey, that was good stuff! Maybe we should discuss it sometime. But all movements fracture along the line, and sometimes the fracture is permanent. There are many kinds of believers out there, and as you like to say, they can’t all be right…so there’s that question of who (if any) is right.
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April 17, 2016 at 12:07 pm |
So…what is it that you thought “was good stuff” and what in particular do you wish to discuss?
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April 17, 2016 at 4:22 pm
Good stuff? Lines like this:
At one time most evangelicals were primarily interested in electing candidates with Judeo-Christian values….until Purpose-driven pragmatism slithered into the visible Church. Just like the typical pragmatist, Christian pragmatists hold that “the value of something is established by its practicality, functionality, and usefulness. Therefore, that which is impractical is rejected as having lesser value or no value as compared to that which works. Pragmatism has been considered in various fields of study such as law, politics, psychology, religion, and education.”
Yeah, that’s probably because pragmatism works. It’s true that pragmatism doesn’t always work in the manner one may desire, but in the long run is much more effective than, say, fanaticism. Religion, more than most other fields of study, has extensive experience with fanatics. I’m sure there exists somewhere a study about the long-term effects of one sect’s dominance over others.
The author tries to connect that phrase exclusively to Rick Warren, but of course the concept goes back much further than that. In Christianity it goes at least as far back as Paul, who wrote:
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. –1 Cor 9:20~22
Compared to ‘Purpose-driven’ fanaticism, pragmatism just seems to be more effective and more likely to endure, which is of course a major goal in politics and religion, at least.
We could discuss that, for starters, and why the author at Berean Research feels that the Body of Christ is trying to consume itself yet again, and let the conversation develop on its own from there. But I won’t hold my breath waiting.
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April 18, 2016 at 4:06 am
GM wrote:
So, are you saying that those who hold to Bible-based Berean informed Christianity are the fanatics?
You must be reading into the Berean Research pages things that just aren’t there. Or, perhaps you just don’t get what they are saying?
Pointing out that the truth of Bible-based Christianity (as once delivered to the saints) vs. the syncretism stew (see my new post!) of deliberate actions where “liberals were serving up platefuls of Christian stew” and lulling them into “la la land” through a “blend of Christianity with paganism” is, IMHO, a very good thing!
Polls have been taken where it is claimed that over 70% of Americans label themselves as Christians. After reading the syncretism stew post, it makes even more sense why Jesus informed us that:
Mat 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Mat 7:14
“Because[fn] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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April 17, 2016 at 3:14 pm |
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April 18, 2016 at 5:14 am |
CJW: So, are you saying that those who hold to Bible-based Berean informed Christianity are the fanatics?
You must be reading into the Berean Research pages things that just aren’t there. Or, perhaps you just don’t get what they are saying?
No, it’s you who are reading things that just aren’t there. I said exactly what I meant.
Do you mean to say that my observation was inaccurate?
Pointing out that the truth of Bible-based Christianity (as once delivered to the saints) vs. the syncretism stew (see my new post!) of deliberate actions where “liberals were serving up platefuls of Christian stew” and lulling them into “la la land” through a “blend of Christianity with paganism” is, IMHO, a very good thing!
But when you complained about to Rick Warren’s apostasy to everyone except Rick Warren, you kept gaffing me off for saying so. Since you’d been sipping the stew yourself a few years earlier, your words might have carried some extra weight if you’d chosen the Berean method back then.
Polls have been taken where it is claimed that over 70% of Americans label themselves as Christians.
It used to be higher. That’s good; it means we may yet find a cure.
As I recall, Jesus also said this:
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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May 4, 2016 at 5:43 pm |
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