Discussion Regarding the Term “Zionism.”

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The topic of Zionism regarding the Jewish State of  Israel,  the politics of Zionism, and the various views of Zionism in today’s world is a difficult and often complicated one.

Recently, a new subscriber here at Talk Wisdom has posted some comments (many were, quite frankly, bizarre) that required a lot of research on my part in order to understand where he (she) was coming from because there are many forms of, and explanations regarding the term “Zionism.”

In the comment section of my previous post, I tried to begin tackling this complicated subject.  The following is by no means an exhaustive review and/or  commentary on Zionism, but I have included links to the Virtual Jewish Library that explains all of the different forms of Zionism and what they mean (according to that author at that site).  I have decided to share some of my research in this new blog post, with the hope that those who may be confused (as I was!) regarding the many views and explanations on Zionism, would get a better idea of the differing types that can be researched.  I welcome comments on all sides of this issue, as long as they are amicable and I especially encourage comments that add to the knowledge of the subject matter.

~  Christine

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Copy of comment written by Christine in previous post:

 

To commenter “Edom’s Thorn”:

I appreciate your willingness to get into the discussions here at Talk Wisdom. However, your first two comments a while back were so bizarre that I deleted them. The comment that you recently wrote for this post was better, but as you said within your own words – more research needs to be done regarding your claims.

Here is a copy of your comment:

EDOM created ISLAM!

When you have put all of this together in these articles, this is the only thing that makes sense.
“Why don’t these scriptures fit the so called “Gods Chosen”?
“EDOM: The Story Of Jacob And Esau Is Not Just A Story”
“The SYNAGOGUE Of SATAN: EDOMS PLAYGROUND”
“GENOCIDE, INFESTATION, INFILTRATION: The Beginning”

Google and RESEARCH is needed!

EDOM created the “ILLUMINATI”….

EDOM CREATED the Catholic Church>>>>> WHERE there is a DESIRE, a “MAN” will discover the truth! But the “FOOL” will never understand! SEE PROVERBS 18:1-2

When I read some posts at your blog, I felt that you were putting down Israel and the Jews. We must remember that the Jews were God’s chosen people through which the Messiah of the world came – our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ

Look, I can understand why you write some of what you do, but God hasn’t “changed His mind” about Israel or the Jews. Jesus was born as a Jew in the Incarnation! The first Christians (called “The Way” back in those early days) were Messianic Jews. There are many Jewish converts to Christianity today. One such leader is Rabbi K.A. Schneider who appears on a program entitled “The Jewish Jesus.” You can read about him here.

I understand that there are disputes about Zionism, both in this country and others. There is the political side of it (advanced by mostly secular Jews) and the spiritual (more important!) side of Zionism (where Christians and Jews can agree – yet disagree about whether or not Jesus (Yeshua) is the Messiah).

It would take too long to explain it all, but suffice it to say that Christians are called to support the Jewish State of Israel and not require them to give up any land to the now terrorist supporting Hamas-led Palestinian Authority. Such a view is biblically based, but rejected by a lot of the secular leftist liberal progressives in the U.S. as well as around the world. Even U.S. presidents and leaders fall into this error by using political maneuvers to try to get Israel to give up the land that was given to them by God (Yahweh), and miraculously returned to them after the horrors of the Holocaust in WWII.

Of course this brief comment doesn’t cover all that needs to be said, but I wanted to acknowledge you for your comments here.

It might be helpful for you to read about these two separate forms of Zionism and why Christians support the spiritual side:

Jewish Virtual Library: Christian Zionism

In the section called “radical” Messianic Zionism, we read:

A religious claim provided strong justification for those who wished to hold on to the occupied territories: If the State of Israel was viewed as the unfolding of a Messianic scenario, then the miraculous victory of the Six-Day War was an essential stage in that process. The territories belong to the Jewish people (i.e., the State of Israel) by Divine decree and they may not be handed over to foreign hands.

The issue of territories, viewed in an eschatological context, became the defining feature for broad segments of religious Zionism in the post-1967 era.

Of course, the Jews would be expecting the first coming of their Messiah, while Christians view the coming of the Messiah as the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Yeshua).

There is also a section called “American Zionism” that used to be what most presidents here agreed with in the past. But when BHO was elected (unfortunately) it has taken a turn towards more of a sympathetic desire to take “land for peace” from Israel for the Palestinians, rather than continue to recognize the sovereign Jewish State and all the land that was promised by God in the Bible. IMO, this change is because BHO is both Marxist and pro-Islamic in his beliefs. That is why he has been more like an enemy towards Israel rather than a close friend to Israel as all of our former presidents have been.

Admittedly, some presidents (like Clinton and G.W. Bush) also pushed the “land for peace” idea in order to try and politically solve the dilemma and stop the ongoing wars between the Israelis and Palestinians. But I believe that they did so in hopes of stopping the attacks on the Jewish state by the Muslim/Arab Palestinians and finally gain peace in the region. Unfortunately, even when former PLO leader Yasser Arafat was given all that he wanted in a peace agreement, it was rejected. Why? Because the PLO Charter still had the goal of eliminating the Jewish State and pushing the Israelis into the sea. Such a mindset is even more evident in the region now that it’s under the terrorist organization of Hamas! We can see why the peace of Jerusalem will remain unreachable until Jesus Christ returns.

The difference with BHO in the White House is the fact that he hates Netanyahu (who, thank God, was in place as Prime Minister for such a time as this!) and sides with the Muslim world in practically everything!

Recall what Obama wrote in one of his books:

In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.”

In the table of contents at the Jewish Virtual Library, we see a list of several named types of “Zionism.”

I still need to do more research regarding what you write about at your site. But some of the things you adhere to are not biblically based (IMHO) and might do damage towards what I am trying to accomplish here at this blog. Thanks, in advance, for understanding.

Christine
Talk Wisdom Administrator

P.S. For those who want to read what Proverbs 18:1-2 says, see the entire chapter HERE.

Hat tips to all links.

 

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Update at 8:50 a.m. PT on January 23, 2015.

 

WOW!  It took 8 pages of “images” research on the StartPage search engine to find one positive photo and position on Zionism!  There were 7 pages of images raging negatively against Zionism – labeling it as another form of “Nazism” and “racism.”!

Here’s the photo and caption:

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Whew!  Found another positive one on page 9.

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The link below is neat! The term “Zion” pictured in the Scriptures!

Biblical Zionism

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6 Responses to “Discussion Regarding the Term “Zionism.””

  1. christinewjc Says:

    To Edom’s Thorn (again),

    I replied to you over at the other post.

    The reason I do not release comments (immediately) from newcomers is to investigate what they are claiming first, and then I go to their blog to see what their motive(s) are for posting here. As I stated previously, we will just have to agree to disagree.

    I had instances in the past where a disgruntled “newcomer” proceeded to spam my blog incessantly because his/her comments in the pending box were being rejected for various reasons. I’m not claiming that you would do that, but due to such experiences, it is my policy to not release a comment in the first place when there are questionable claims and motives involved. This prevents any person from doing what that disgruntled newcomer did at my blog in the past.

    Thank you for your understanding in this matter.

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  3. christinewjc Says:

    Copy of Edom’s Thorn comment:

    You say I made some “BIZARRE” comments and SLANDER ME!

    I presented FACTS in the above comment and you do not publish them. WHY? You do not even refute one fact.

    My six year old grandson wrote me a note that said this, from his little “devotional” >>> …”Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:”…

    HE UNDERSTANDS the importance of TRUTH! He hears me and his grand mother talk about your ‘KIND’ all of the time. Truth is not important to you, it is your “FEELINGS” that matter to you.

    Feelings have no brains. They are just emotions and although they are expressed and feel like truth, they can’t distinguish the truth from a lie.
    PROVERBS 18:1-2 ”Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom. A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself”.

    II TIMOTHY 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth”.
    DIVIDING:
    SC GREEK 3718 “orthotomeo” to make straight, cut, to DISSECT!

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    I DID ALL OF THAT! I have studied in the Hebrew and Greek since 1982. I have proven the word of God with the word of God, as WE can see it clearly made manifest in the world today.

    I may share two more comments, and then I will trouble you no more!

    To Edom’s Thorn –

    First of all, the term “bizarre” means “odd or unusual.” That is the way that I see some of what you have written.

    Second, you have a “boycott Israel” graphic on your site. I totally disagree with that!

    Perhaps you have other posts at your site that I could agree with. But your obvious hatred towards the land of Israel and odd view of the Jews was enough for me to not link to your blog.

    Like I stated from the start, we will just have to agree to disagree regarding your views of the term, title, and relationship to God (Yahweh) concerning “the Jews.”

    I linked to a website that contains a detailed explanation of the different aspects and views regarding “Zionism.” You, apparently, have your own opinion about it. So be it. But I disagree with many points that you have tried to make regarding the Jews, and therefore, do not care to continue a conversation about it. This is my blog and I have a right to accept or reject any comments that are posted here. You have the same option at your blog.

    Readers here can put your blog name into a search engine and read all that you have written. Then, they can make their own decision regarding whether or not you are sharing the truth on this particular topic, as well as other topics where you have posted commentary.

    Individuals can make assumptions and twist Scripture to say what they want it to say all the time. They can also make claims about themselves and others that are not true. For instance, in your above comment you quoted the Bible and one of the quotes was:

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    Then you wrote:

    I DID ALL OF THAT!

    So, I must ask you… you claim to have “proved all things?” If so, where does faith fit in?

    I have neglected to ask you whether or not you are a born-again Christian and whether or not you believe the following:

    What We Believe…

    * About God:

    God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God.

    Genesis 1:26-27; Genesis 3:22; Psalms 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14

    *About Humankind:

    We are made in the spiritual image of God, to be like him in character. We are the supreme object of God’s creation. Although humankind has tremendous potential for good, we are marred by an attitude of disobedience toward God, called “sin.” This attitude separates us from God.

    Genesis 1:27; Psalms 8:3-6; Isaiah 53:6; Romans 3:23; Isaiah 59:1,2

    *About Eternity:

    We all were created to exist forever. We will either exist eternally in union with God through forgiveness and salvation or separated from God by sin. Heaven is the place of eternal union and eternal life with God. The eternal separation from God is called Hell.

    John 3:16; Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:15; (Hell)
    Matthew 25:41; Revelation 21:27 (Heaven)

    * About Jesus Christ:

    Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is co-equal with the Father. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all by dying on a cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heavens glory and will return again, to earth, to reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

    Matthew 1:22-23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; John 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14, 15; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; Romans 1:3,4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6:14,15; Titus 2:13

    *About Salvation:

    Salvation is a gift from God to mankind. We can never make up for our sin by self-improvement or good works. Only by trusting in Jesus Christ as God’s offer of forgiveness can we be saved from sin’s penalty. Eternal life begins the moment we receive Jesus Christ into our life by faith.

    Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8,9; John 14:6; John 1:12; Titus 3:5; Galatians 3:26; Romans 5:1

    *About The Holy Spirit:

    The Holy Spirit is equal with the Father and the Son of God. He is present in the world to make mankind aware of our need for Jesus Christ. He also lives in every Christian from the moment of salvation. He provides the Christian with power for living, understanding of spiritual gifts, and guidance in doing what is right. The Christian’s responsibility is to seek and to live under His will daily.

    2 Corinthians 3:17; John 16:7-13; John 14:16,17; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 3:16; Ephesians 1:13; Galatians 5:25; Ephesians 5:1

    *About Spiritual Gifts:

    The gifts of the Holy Spirit are available to each believer in Jesus Christ, allowing for greater intimacy with God and power for accomplishing His work in our world today. We believe that God, the giver of gifts, gives severally as he wills, and with emphasis on growing maturity in Jesus Christ. These gifts are revealed and then can be used for His purposes and powerfully influence and affect our world for Christ.

    1Corinthians 12:4-7, 11, 17, 29, 30

    *About The Bible:

    The Bible is God’s Word to all mankind. It was written by human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs and living. Because it is inspired by God, it is truth without any mixture of error.

    2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Timothy 1:13; Psalms 12:6; 119:105, 160; Proverbs 30:5

    About being born-again in Christ:

    You can know God personally, as presumptuous as that may sound. God is so eager to establish a personal, loving relationship with you that He has already made all the arrangements. He is patiently and lovingly waiting for you to respond to His invitation. You can receive forgiveness of your sins and assurance of eternal life through faith in His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The major barrier that prevents us from knowing God personally is ignorance of who God is and what He has done for us. The following four principles will help you discover how to know God personally and experience the abundant life he promised.

    1. God loves you and created you to know Him personally.

    God’s Love – “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16).

    God’s Plan – “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” (John 17:3)
    What prevents us from knowing God personally?

    2. Man is sinful and separated from God, so we cannot know Him personally or experience His love.

    Man Is Sinful – “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

    Man was created to have fellowship with God; but, because of his own stubborn self-will, he chose to go his own independent way and fellowship with God was broken. This self-will, characterized by an attitude of active rebellion or passive indifference, is an evidence of what the Bible calls sin.

    Man Is Separated – “The wages of sin is death” [spiritual separation from God] (Romans 6:23).

    God is holy and man is sinful. A great gulf separates the two. Man is continually trying to reach God and establish a personal relationship with Him through his own efforts, such as a good life, philosophy, or religion – but he inevitably fails.

    The third principle explains the only way to bridge this gulf…

    3. Jesus Christ is God’s only provision for man’s sin. Through Him alone we can know God personally and experience God’s love.
    He Died In Our Place – “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).
    He Rose From the Dead – “Christ died for our sins…He was buried…He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures… He appeared to Peter, then to the twelve. After that He appeared to more than five hundred…” (1 Corinthians 15:3-6).

    He Is the Only Way to God – “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me’ ” (John 14:6).

    God bridged the gulf that separates us from Him by sending His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross in our place to pay the penalty for our sins.

    It is not enough just to know these truths…

    4. We must individually RECEIVE Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know God personally and experience His love.

    We Must Receive Christ – “As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name” (John 1:12).

    We Receive Christ Through Faith – “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works that no one should boast” (Ephesians 2:8,9).

    When We Receive Christ, We Experience a New Birth –

    (John 3:1-8 ) “Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling counsel.

    2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

    3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

    4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”

    5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

    6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

    7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

    8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. you hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

    We Receive Christ By Personal Invitation – [Christ speaking] “Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him” (Revelation 3:20).

    Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive us of our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional experience. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of our will.
    Picture in your mind two circles with a throne in the middle which represent two kinds of lives:

    The self-directed life has “self” on the throne, Christ is outside the life and interests are directed by self, often resulting in discord and frustration.

    The Christ-directed life has Christ in the center of the life and on the throne. Self is yielding to Christ (at the foot of the cross). Interests are directed by Christ, resulting in harmony with God’s plan.

    Which circle best represents your life?

    Which circle would you like to have represent your life?

    The following explains how you can receive Christ:

    You Can Receive Christ Right Now By Faith Through Prayer

    (Prayer is talking with God) – God knows your heart and is not so concerned with your words as He is with the attitude of your heart. The following is a suggested prayer:

    Lord Jesus, I want to know You personally. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive me. I open the door of my life and ask you to come in as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for forgiving me of my sins and giving me eternal life. Take control of the throne of my life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be. Amen.

    Does this prayer express the desire of your heart?

    If it does, pray this prayer right now, and Christ will come into your life, as He promised.

    How to Know That Christ Is in Your Life – Did you receive Christ into your life? According to His promise in Revelation 3:20, where is Christ right now in relation to you? Christ said that He would come into your life and be your friend so you can know Him personally. Would He mislead you? On what authority do you know that God has answered your prayer? (The trustworthiness of God Himself and His Word.)

    The Bible Promises Eternal Life to All Who Receive Christ – “The witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life” (1 John 5:11-13).

    Thank God often that Christ is in your life and that He will never leave you (Hebrews 13:5). You can know on the basis of His promise that Christ lives in you and that you have eternal life from the very moment you invite Him in. He will not deceive you.

    An important reminder…

    Do Not Depend on Feeling – The promise of God’s Word, the Bible — not our feelings – is our authority. The Christian lives by faith (trust) in the trustworthiness of God Himself and His Word.

    FACT (God and His Word) FAITH (our trust in God and His Word) FEELING (the results of our faith and obedience) (John 14:21).

    Now That You Have Entered Into a Personal Relationship With Christ – The moment you received Christ by faith, as an act of your will, many things happened, including the following:

    1. Christ came into your life (Revelation 3:20 and Colossians 1:27).
    2. Your sins were forgiven (Colossians 1:14).
    3. You became a child of God (John 1:12).
    4. You received eternal life (John 5:24).
    5. You began the great adventure for which God created you (John 10:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17; and 1 Thessalonians 5:18).

    Suggestions for Christian Growth – Spiritual growth results from trusting Jesus Christ. “The righteous man shall live by faith” (Galatians 3;11). A life of faith will enable you to trust God increasingly with every detail of your life, and to practice the following:

    G Go to God in prayer daily (John 15:7).

    R Read God’s Word daily (Acts 17:11) – begin with the Gospel of John.

    O Obey God moment by moment (John 14:21).

    W Witness for Christ by your life and words (Matthew 4:19; John 15:8).

    T Trust God for every detail of your life (1 Peter 5:7).

    H Holy Spirit – Allow Him to control and empower your daily life and witness (Galatians 5:16, 17; Acts 1:8).

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  4. christinewjc Says:

    Edom’s Thorn,

    You chose to ignore my questions regarding what you believe and whether or not you are a born-again follower of Jesus Christ.

    Most of the time, genuine born-again believers are happy to state that they have made that all-important decision for salvation, and many are also glad to share their testimony.

    Your neglect in such matters has proven me correct to not have approved your very first comment here.

    I pray that you and your wife will one day know the truth, and through the salvation offered by the Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, that you will be saved.

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  6. christinewjc Says:

    Edom’s Thorn wrote:

    James 4:11-12 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

    I understand I have offended you, or rather, you are offended by my plain speech and the Historical and Biblical facts that I have presented. But why to you attack my wife? I did not answer your question because you will yet again be OFFENDED.

    In 1970 at age 14, I received Jesus Christ as my Savior. My Pastor gave me the best advice that any Christian can receive, be they young or old, and that was to “read my Bible and believe it, that it IS the Word Of God”… And so, much to the consternation of ALL of the preachers that I have met, I did just that. As a “CHILD” of God, we should trust that our Father does not lie, and is able to do ALL HE said in HIS word!

    I don’t do “Bible Thumping” as some will call what an “evangelist” does, because what I am trying to convey is mainly for Christians, that have no need for the “Milk” of Salvation and understanding the grace of God. And lets face it, everyone has heard “Jesus Saves”, and the field for the Evangelist has been well covered. However, it is my hope that those that are weak in the faith, or have no faith at all, will research what I have presented, and come to see that from the Biblical and Historical perspectives that I have presented, IMHO are “proof of the truth”. I have proven the word of God, with the word of God, as we can clearly see it made manifest in the world.

    So at age 14, having read and believed the Bible to be true I found that what the world was saying about the “JEWS” was not what the word of God said about ISRAEL, Jacobs 12 sons! Now at that time I believed that the “Jews” were “OF” the 12 tribes, but that the world was ignoring the other eleven tribes, and that what the Bible said about the Children of Israel was what we see in the world being manifest in the Peoples of the “Western Nations”! And if you are not “white” take heart and be glad that God blessed Israel, as you have been blessed by ISRAEL also. You too have access to God through His Son.

    My research into the “Israel” question was actually a very easy task. And I learned a lot about the N.W.O. and the creation of the U.N. From the Balfore Agreement, the League of Nations, Mandell House, the United Nations, to the treachery that is ISRAEL! I was still believing that those “Jews” were of the Children of JACOB, and therefore “our” brother, I knew that God was not why Israel was a “State” but only by the force of the U.N. and the Rothschilds. God “allowed” EDOM to “build” it see Malachi 1:1-4.

    I continued my research, and obtained a 1980 edition of the Strong’s Concordance to the KJV Bible, (my mother gave it to me in 1982.) I “buckled down” to flesh out just WHO these “Jews” were! At that time having an understanding that U.S. Foreign Policy was being dictated by Israeli interests and the Zionist’s Goals.

    THERE is more to my testimony, but you will not publish this so will end it here.

    You did not answer my questions. Why? Are you the tyrant that I think you are? I presented Biblical FACTS concerning ISRAEL never being called “JEW” and the facts as to how the ORIGINAL meaning for the word “JEW” was changed.

    IF by your DEMONIZING me and slandering me, you have caused ANYONE to not research what I have presented, you WILL stand before the Lord Jesus Christ and give an account for everything you said and did not allow me to say!

    May God open your heart and eyes.

    To Edom’s Thorn –

    I decided to copy and paste your last post here so that others can see what you believe, why you believe it, and how it differs from what many Christians believe.

    As I presented before, there are many meanings to the term “Zionism.” Did you not notice the link that I had previously shared where the term is used in the Bible?

    Blue Letter Bible – KJV Criteria “Zion.”

    You lump all Jews together as if they cannot and will not be saved. Are you aware of Messianic Jews? Have you studied the book of Revelation? Do you not know that the 2 Witnesses are Jews (because the Rapture already occurred) and many Bible scholars believe that the 144,000 are saved Jews (after the Rapture) who evangelize for Christ during the Great Tribulation?

    I have read about all of the NWO elites and Agenda 21 groups – but their “power” is under the ultimate control of God’s Eternal Power.

    The State of Israel being returned to the Jews on the exact date that it had happened was prophesied in Scripture!

    You can read several of my past writings regarding Israelat my former blog.

    We are witnessing Bible prophecy right before our very eyes! And all of the ancient Arab states were listed in Psalms as ganging up against Israel in the last days.

    Look, there is a lot of information that I could share, but you have your mind set on your own “research,” and therefore you reject the call to Stand with Israel. Just because there are bad actors (which come and go in history) doesn’t mean that we should abandon the land blessed by God and given to the Israelites forever!

    There have been good leaders and bad leaders in Israel. Netanyahu was placed back in office by God for “such a time as this.” All that has transpired over the past 6 years (with two to go) regarding the unfriendliness and lack of protection of Israel can be partially blamed on The United States government – which is currently being badly run by BHO and his band of Marxists/Islamofascists.

    We currently have a bad actor and all of his minions and puppeteers in our government! But does that mean that we inhabitants should abandon our nation? OF COURSE NOT!

    Well, I’m glad that you have confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of your life. In light of our differences regarding Israel, we will continue to just have to agree to disagree.

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