Stand With Israel – Now and Forever


Read a disturbing article today over at Fox which is entitled Presbyterians narrowly vote to divest from companies used by Israel. It is about a Presbyterian group (a Christian denomination here in the U.S.) that is “punishing” businesses in Israel (through divestment) because they are protesting the lack of progress of  a “two-state solution” for a Palestinian state alongside, and with, sections of the land of Israel.

Apparently, not all Presbyterian groups agree with this particular one. The Orthodox Presbyterian church lists the following in their “what we believe” section:

The Bible, having been inspired by God, is entirely trustworthy and without error. Therefore, we are to believe and obey its teachings. The Bible is the only source of special revelation for the church today.

But then we have another Presbyterian church group that states in their online discussion:

The Bible says there is only one God even though there are many false gods in this world. The Bible also says the Lord has only one body or church even though there are many false counterfeit bodies or churches in this world. Ephesians 5:23 says that Christ “is the Saviour of the body”, which is His one body, His one church. Christ is only going to save His one church, and not any of the counterfeit churches. Christ “loved the church and gave Himself for her” (Ephesians 5:25). Jesus Christ did not die for or establish any of the 28 Baptist Churches which men have begun during the past 500 years. Baptist Churches and the other denominations are of human origin and have no scriptural authority to exist.

What??? The person who wrote that essay thinks that “Baptist churches and other denominations are of human origin and have no scriptural authority to exist” ???  Oh my…. is that a blatant attempt to disrespect and dismiss other Christian denominations or what? 

Being a member of a non-denominational Christian church has its benefits.  God’s Word trumps church “rules” and opinions, and that’s a good thing.

Then, I found another discussion regarding Presbyterian beliefs:


Question: “What is the Presbyterian Church, and what do Presbyterians believe?”

Answer: The name “Presbyterian” applies to a diverse group of churches that adhere in some degree to the teachings of John Calvin and John Knox and are led by representative elders (presbyters) of their congregations. Within the broad category, there are some which can be considered conservative or fundamental, and some which would be called liberal or progressive. On the conservative side is the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA), with about 335,000 members in 1,700 congregations, while the Presbyterian Church, USA (PCUSA), with 2.3 million members in 10,000 congregations, is more liberal. Several smaller groups have formed over the years and cover the spectrum of beliefs and practices.

Read more:

Well, that certainly explains all of the confusion that apparently abounds in the PCUSA.

It’s a good thing that the author ends with the following information and warning:

While most Presbyterian churches will agree on general themes such as the depravity of man, the holiness of God, and salvation by faith, there is wide divergence in how they define and apply those themes. Some churches treat sin as a disease and essentially erase any personal responsibility, while others hold a firm line that sin is a violation of God’s unchanging law. Some teach that the Bible is verbally inspired of God, and therefore infallible, while others teach that it is man’s book and therefore subject to error. As with any other church, a person would be well advised to carefully examine not only the formal statements of doctrine, but also the practical implementation of those doctrines to determine whether a church is conforming to Scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

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I have already asked for more information regarding the split in American Reform Judiasm beliefs regarding this issue as well, and I’m awaiting a response.  Does it (this particular split) have to do with Zionism vs. anti-Zionism beliefs?  I plan to include that information when I receive it. [Note:  Have not heard back yet so may not be able to include this person’s opinion(s).]

The following paragraph in the article leads me to believe that most Reform Jews here in the U.S. are of the same belief as Bible-based Christians – who believe that Israel should NOT be divided; and that “land for peace” efforts given to the Palestinians won’t work anyway (especially now that the terrorist group Hamas is a partner in the so-called “peace” process!).

Rabbi Rick Jacobs, head of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism, which is the largest branch of American Judaism, addressed the delegates twice, urging them to vote against divestment. He offered to arrange a meeting for the two top Presbyterian executives next week in Jerusalem with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss church concerns, if Presbyterians rejected the divestment proposal. After the vote, Jacobs said the denomination as a whole is no longer “a partner for joint work on Israel-Palestine peace issues.”


It really angers me when certain Christian denominations (e.g. the Presbyterian group) do things like this! They are NOT following God’s Word on this issue!!! This is what happens when people and denominations drift away from the Bible! They are not acknowledging Deuteronomy 26:15-19!

Deut. 26:15 – ‘Look down from Your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless Your people Israel and the land which You have given us, just as You swore to our fathers, “a land flowing with milk and honey.”

’fn – (26:15) (also see Exodus 3:8)


Please click on this link to my former Talk Wisdom blog For more information regarding Talk Wisdom’s research and support regarding the nation of Israel

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2 Responses to “Stand With Israel – Now and Forever”

  1. christinewjc Says:

    Great…as if the issue I just wrote about under the titled post isn’t enough for Bible-based born again Christians to leave the Presbyterian heresy…we now have this too:

    The Steady Drip BlogSpot: Presbyterian church votes to allow gay marriage.

    When certain people creep in (perhaps unnoticed at first) and end up exchanging the truth of God for a lie – this is what we get: Presbyterian church leaders “voting” to allow homosexual marriage; which is a behavior that has always stood as an abomination to God.

    But don’t take my word for it. Read the Bible yourselves!

    Note this excerpt from the second post in this list where such sin is indeed, a spiritual problem:

    1. True Discernment: Jesus, The Days of Noah, and Same Sex Marriage informs us further:


    Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when Son of man is revealed.”

    Jesus being a first century Rabbi, like most Jewish teachers, coupled Sodom with the flood generation as a typical image of evil. His intent was to inform his audience that at His second coming the conditions of the world would mirror Noah’s days and the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    As in the Days of Noah

    The Midrash Rabbah Genesis is a specific form of rabbinic literature of ancient Judaism commentaries of the Hebrew Scriptures. It is based on the interpretation of the Torah (Old Testament). It speaks about the subject of same-sex marriage during the days of Noah.

    The rabbis wrote in the Midrash Rabbah Genesis that the flood in Noah’s day was primarily triggered when males starting writing marriage deeds with other males, and between men and beasts (bestiality). Based on the account of Midrash Rabbah Genesis, same-sex marriages took place during the days of Noah. There was nothing new under the sun and this is stated by Solomon in Ecclesiastes 1:9. Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah is synonymous with the destruction of the flood generation in Midrash Rabbah Genesis. It states in the Midrash Rabbah Genesis that Lot pleaded all night for mercy for the Sodomites, and that the angels permitted him to plead for them. But once the people said, “… bring them out [the angels] so we may have sex with them,” mercy ran out. The angels told Lot, “for now on you have no right to plead anymore.” Judgment was sent upon Sodom. Flood water was the judgment of God on the people in Noah’s day. Fire and brimstone was the judgment against Sodom and Gomorrah.

    The blog author explains that the book of Enoch is not inspired, and thus not part of the canon of Scripture, however the book of Jude contains some quotes from it. Enoch is being used by the author as a good reference resource.


    The book of Enoch was written before the birth of Christ and although it is not an inspired book, it is a good resource. Parts of it are quoted in Jude 14-15. 2nd Enoch 34-1, 3-4 states, “God convicts the persons who are idol worshipers and sodomite fornicators, and for this reason he brings down the flood upon them. And all the world will be reduced to confusion by iniquities, wickedness and abominable fornications. That is, friend with friend in anus, every other kind of wicked uncleanness which is almost too disgusting to report, and the worship of the evil one. And that is why I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and shall destroy everything, and the earth itself will collapse in great darkness.” Second Enoch states that perverse homosexual relationships were the main cause of the flood. Both Midrash Rabbah Genesis and the second book of Enoch state that God frowns on homosexuality in cultic prostitution, and in so-called “loving consensual” homosexual relationships. So don’t believe the liberal Christian theologians, gay-affirming churches and inclusionists. Homosexuality and same-sex marriage are an abomination in God’s eyesight.


  2. christinewjc Says:

    Previously I had quoted from the book, “The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today” by Alan Sears and Craig Osten in my post called Allow Gospel To Be Silenced?:

    “We cannot allow [a false understanding] of love to trump truth.” In our hope of being accepted, we have often backed away from the spiritual battle for the hearts and souls of men. Rather than confront the culture, we have often chosen to conform to it. Instead of promoting self-fulfillment in our churches, we must get back to modeling self-sacrifice. Christ made the ultimate sacrifice for us, and like him, we must be humble servants and not haughty judges. We need to point the individual trapped in homosexual behavior to the true cross, not a revised, meaningless gospel that require no sacrifice, no repentance, and provides no real lasting deliverance from sin and its pain and sorrow.

    We must be willing to be salt and light in our culture, no matter what.

    [We] must not remain silent, we must speak up, when Christ and his teaching are ridiculed and sexual deviancy is exalted. This includes the media, our public schools, our elected officials, and our workplace. There may be a price that we will all have to pay, but whatever that price is, we must remember it pales in comparison to the price Christ paid for us. If we stay silent, our children and grandchildren will reap the consequences of our apathy.

    Our voice must be consistent: we must love homosexual men and women, and because of this love for them we must want to see them redeemed from a lifestyle of certain, ultimate despair.

    [So] many are living testaments to the joy and healing–through faith in Jesus Christ–available to the person who escapes from homosexual behavior.

    [For] many years, the church and Christians were essentially AWOL from the courthouse while dozens of legal cases were litigated, setting precedents the homosexual activists rely on today. We can no longer ignore the legal realm.

    [Reverend Peter Jensen] said, “…The Christian Gospel is the insertion of truth into the untrustworthy discourse of the world.”

    [We] cannot shy away from this task, regardless of the price. We need to ask ourselves: Are we willing to take a stand, to keep the door open for the gospel, or are we going to allow it to be silenced? Are we willing to share Christ’s love with the person trapped in homosexual behavior, or will we simply walk by them like the Levite and the priest on the road to Jericho and not offer a helping hand? (see Luke 10:25-37)

    The book concludes:

    The answers to those questions will determine the future of marriage, the family, culture, and the gospel in America, and of America itself. They will determine the futures of millions of hurting individuals in need of a loving Father who alone can provide them with the true affirmation, true fulfillment, and the true love they so desperately need. And the good news –even a nation’s heart can turn in a single day (Jonah 3:10).


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