Keep Speaking “Your” Truth?

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Admittedly, it was a bit challenging for me to choose a title for this post.  The various discussions, therein, includes many subtopics that could be utilized for the post title.  However, I thought that the one chosen encompasses them all quite well.

Posting Christian faith information on a blog can often get a writer into trouble.  Why?  Because those who do not believe that the Bible is true and that Jesus Christ is exactly who he said he is – the Son of God, crucified Savior and risen Lord – will claim that the Bible isn’t God-breathed truth and/or that man doesn’t need to confess and repent for their sins at the foot of Christ’s cross at Calvary.   Nor would such a person agree that he or she needs this Savior – Jesus Christ – in order to be reconciled back unto God.

In today’s world, religious pluralism is considered good, but biblical absolutism is crammed into the minds of many by the politically correct crowd as “discriminatory,” “uncompromising,” and in some cases, just plain “bigoted.”  But these are all terms and conditions thought up by man, which inevitably (and, unfortunately) locks them into bitter feuds over “religion,” rather than reasoned faith discussions.

Take “guru” Deepak Chopra, for example.  In an article from yesterday’s San Diego Tribune newspaper, the online title chosen by the writer states: Deepak Chopra Chasing His Demons. Interestingly, the title in the printed copy reads: “Guru Chopra Still Searches For Meaning – New Age celebrity seems absolutely certain of his beliefs, but still questions own identity.” The sentence written under a photo of him states, “Deepak Chopra has been locked in bitter feuds with skeptical scientists and writers.”

I am reminded of several posts that I wrote regarding Deepak Chopra at my former Talk Wisdom blog. One of the best debates that I have ever seen was between Christian Apologist Greg Koukl and New Age Guru, Deepak Chopra. Unfortunately, the video at that link is no longer available. [I will continue to search for it and include the new link here when I find it.]

[Update: I found an 8 minute segment of the debate HERE or here:]

What was so great about it is the fact that both men were cordial to each other. Yet, Mr. Koukl’s arguments completely demolished Mr. Chopra’s. Why? Because one included reasonable faith ideas while the other, Chopra’s views, were a mish-mash of human ideas about faith.

Here is a 36 second video where an audience member at one of Chopra’s events “reasoned out” against only one of Deepak’s claims:

[Note: If the video doesn’t work here, view it on You Tube Deepak Chopra Gets Owned.]

Now, the video poster states that it wasn’t his intention to “mock” Chopra. He wanted to show the logical fallacies of what he stated previously at the event.

I have found a video of the last five minutes of the debate between Greg Koukl and Deepak Chopra:

[Note: If video doesn’t work here, go to You Tube and view it HERE]

My comment when I first saw this [entire] debate:

This broadcast was absolutely fabulous! Greg Koukl pointed out the fact that people can have differing beliefs regarding faith, but that it is logically impossible for them all to be true at the same time. His trust in Jesus Christ and God’s Word stood in direct contrast to Deepak Chopra who admitted “embracing his uncertainty.” Koukl’s view demonstrates a steadfast and true faith where Chopra’s view can only lead to theological oblivion.

~ Christine

In the newspaper version of the UT Tribune article, the writer included the following opinion about Deepak Chopra:

 

‘People have no idea what he is talking about,’ critic says.

Ouch!!!

But, I guess such criticism doesn’t hurt that bad, especially since Deepak Chopra has made millions on the sales of dozens of books he has written. Apparently, it is appealing to people when Chopra states that he “embraces his uncertainty.”

When it comes to religious beliefs, it is often viewed as “taboo” to be certain in one’s own beliefs. Our current world really likes the concept of “everyone doing what is right in their own eyes.” However, the Bible tells us the opposite! We are instructed by the God-breathed text about what is right and what is wrong, what constitutes sin, evil, and death vs. what is holy, good, and brings eternal life. But that can be the topic of another blog post. For now, lets take a brief, but powerful glimpse into looking at what “speaking your own truth” vs. speaking the truth of the Bible can mean for mankind.

What do you think it means when someone quips, “keep speaking your truth”? Does it mean that there are several different “truths” out there? If so, my question is, how can they all be correct at the same time?

The third question above is similar to what Christian Apologist Greg Koukl asked New Age guru Deepak Chopra on a recent episode of “Faith Under Fire.” But like many other non-believers of the Christian faith, Chopra attempted to trap Greg with the question. This is the question which, inevitably, most Christian apologists are asked.

However, this particular question is not asked in order to find the truth. Nope. It is more often asked as a mechanism to trap the Christian while engaging in debate. You see, if someone words a question right, they can win any debate.

Dr. Chopra asked the question during his debate with Koukl. It was a classic case in point. In fact, I have heard Larry King ask this very same question several times, especially when interviewing Christian evangelists like Billy Graham. Dennis Prager has asked Greg this question when he was a guest on his radio program. What is the question?

Here’s the question, as was presented in Chopra’s own words on the “Faith Under Fire” episode: “Then you’re saying that people who don’t believe just like you are going to Hell?”

Fortunately, Greg was able to share that this wasn’t the point that he was making. Greg’s point was different. Since Chopra and he were grappling with serious issues no one could avoidGod, truth, salvation, eternity everything rides on their answers.

Their discussion wasn’t idle banter. Ideas have consequences. Everyone is inevitably involved and eternity is at stake. If Chopra is right and Koukl is wrong, he loses. If the reverse, Chopra losesand so does everyone who reads his books, attends his seminars, or watches this debate and believes what Chopra says.

Second, Dr. Chopra’s goal was not to clarify a theological point. In the course of this debate it was obvious that he was losing ground, so he offered up a challenge he hoped would tip Greg off balance, with the goal being to discredit Greg with the audience.

I watched this debate and saw this as it happened. It was so obvious to me that Chopra was attempting to gain “debating points” rather than addressing the true, serious issues being discussed (i.e. God, truth, salvation, eternity).

If Greg had answered directly – “Yes, people who don’t believe just like me are going to Hell” – the debate would have been over. Chopra’s query would have succeeded at painting Greg with an ugly stereotype, and he knew it.

People wouldn’t have heard, through Greg, this important exchange about faith and truth, the voice of Jesus calling all men to repentance, offering reprieve and rescue from a judgment they will all face. Instead, they would hear exactly what Chopra intended them to hear: conceit and condescension, an ideologue wishing people into Hell simply because they disagreed with him.

Are you involved in Christian apologetics? Does this sound familiar to you?

This confrontation between Koukl and Chopra taught me a lot! It taught me that “the” question misses the point. It taught me that I need to tell them everything is at stake and everyone is at risk, including you and me!

Each of us will have to stand before God and give an account. That’s the reality, and it’s not good news because we are all guilty in the final analysis!

But there is another reality that is good news. God has provided clemency if anyone accepts the pardon He offers through Jesus Christ. What could possibly be better than the kindest mercy of all – complete forgiveness instead of the punishment that we all would deserve?

This encounter between Koukl and Chopra taught me that I can sidestep the traps set by skeptics and scoffers while still telling the truth. If you are a Christian and are reading this I’m sure that you can relate that this is not always easy. Jesus’ claim that “Unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins (John 8:24)” is less popular now than ever. As ambassadors for Christ, we must be prepared to clarify Jesus’ point.

This encounter between Koukl and Chopra taught me not to let anyone twist the truth. Whether they do it subtly with semi-flattering words like, “keep speaking your truth”; in other words, “that’s true for you but not for me”; or whether they do it more directly in order to paint you or I as a conceited, condescending, sterotypical ideologue in front of others with their main purpose being so that they can discredit you or me.

Hat tips to all links.

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15 Responses to “Keep Speaking “Your” Truth?”

  1. christinewjc Says:

    Here are some great comments that were posted regarding this broadcasted episode.

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    KP stated:

    “Messengers of an Impersonal God?

    I watched Greg Koukl and Deepak Chopra discuss the future of faith on Lee Strobel’s Faith Under Fire last night. Dr. Chopra has written numerous books on New Age spirituality that have sold millions of copies. Greg did a superb job of representing the gospel in content and character, modeling the qualities of an ambassador that he and the folks at Stand to Reason seek to instill in others. He repeatedly demonstrated the problems with religious relativism and exposed the fact that, contrary to his denial that he is dogmatic, Dr. Chopra adheres to a theological position of which he seeks to persuade others.

    As a sign of respect for Jesus, Dr. Chopra said that his teaching in the Sermon on the Mount is among his favorites and that he carries a copy of it with him. However, he considers Jesus only one among a number of God’s messengers. Not only is this a contradiction of the biblical witness to Jesus’ uniqueness, it’s also unintelligible given Dr. Chopra’s own concept of the nature of God. You see, Dr. Chopra emphatically denies that God is a personal being.

    The concept of messenger presupposes two activities, both of which can only be performed by persons. The first is that of sending or commissioning.

    The summer before I went to college I worked as a messenger for a law firm in Manhattan. They sent me and my co-workers on various assignments to deliver important documents to other firms and businesses. I didn’t decide what my destination was to be. Nor did I decide at what times I would go on these errands. All of that was dictated to me by my employer. The messenger is one who is sent by someone not something.

    The second activity presupposed by the concept of messenger is communication. A messenger is one who conveys a what? That’s right – a message. The task of a messenger is to convey some kind of communication from the one who sent him or her to the recipient. If I were to tell you that my toaster wanted me to tell you something, you’d think that I was either joking or something was seriously wrong with me. That’s because we know that toasters and other impersonal entities don’t communicate. So, how Dr. Chopra explains the concept of an impersonal God having messengers, I don’t know. I don’t think he can.”

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    JRW stated:

    “I only got to see from about 20 minutes after the hour, but Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason graciously, fairly, kindly, steamrolled Deepak Chopra on Faith Under Fire last night. I mean, it wasn’t even fair. Wasn’t even close. TKO first round, except the fight kept going. I have no idea how Greg managed to wrangle the whole hour—the biggest draw-back to Faith Under Fire has been that you have to address big issues in picoseconds, and sometimes you just can’t do that very well. So, to get the whole hour with a single “opponent” was quite the coup, and resulted in a much better encounter with a much clearer result.”

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  2. christinewjc Says:

    P.S. If anyone reading here finds the entire, one hour video of the Faith Under Fire debate between Greg Koukl and Deepak Chopra, please post a link to it here!

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  3. gmpilot Says:

    It’s always comical to watch people argue over whose version of ignorance, myth, magic and superstition is the right version. Pilate was right to ask his question!
    Christians to the right of me, Hindus to the left of me, Muslims here and Buddhists there, all of whom claim they have the correct answer. But so far, none of them have demonstrated it.

    CJW: ”This encounter between Koukl and Chopra taught me not to let anyone twist the truth.”

    I shall refrain from citing the many posts where you failed on that. Instead, I shall say that you actually seem to have remembered your mission statement, and as long as you aren’t distracted by public healthcare and astronomical events, you won’t hear much from me.
    But all I have to go by is what you say here. If you still have this attitude six months from now, or even six weeks from now, this blog may start to resemble the old forum I found in 2004. We’ll see.

    There is no need to discredit you. Many apologeticists do that on their own, without help from ‘skeptics and scoffers’…like that Einstein shaggy-dog story you told last summer. When your opponent is drowning, there’s no need to throw him an anvil.
    So I’ll just keep quiet for awhile, and see what you write.

    So now it’s official: you’ve abandoned the “blood moon” thread. Can’t say I wasn’t expecting it.

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  4. christinewjc Says:

    It’s always comical (and, quite frankly, very sad) to watch a person like you argue over his own version of ignorance, myth, magic and superstition as being the “right” version. See? I could ridicule you right back.

    When Pilate asked, “what is truth,” he was too uninformed to realize that the Man of Truth was standing right in front of him!

    GM wrote, “CJW: ”This encounter between Koukl and Chopra taught me not to let anyone twist the truth.”

    I shall refrain from citing the many posts where you failed on that.

    People twist the truth all the time. What I meant was that I won’t let anyone twist the truth on me, so that I would stray from true faith. Christians are called to discernment and the Bible is the source of truth to correctly divide the word of truth.

    It would be an impossible endeavor to keep lost people from twisting the truth, in general. They do it all the time. Many Bible verses tell us this is so.

    Just because someone (unfortunately) was incorrect in an attribution to a story that I posted doesn’t negate what the story teaches us. I thought it was a brilliant analogy.

    So…despite some mistakes and errors in writings shared here – you wish to continue to “see what I write.” Hmmm…must be your desire to continue trying to discredit me. Your hatred continues to show. As a follower of Christ, I expect it.

    Mat 20:17

    Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them,

    Mat 20:18

    “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death,

    Mat 20:19

    “and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.”

    Jhn 15:18

    “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.

    Jhn 15:25

    “But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’ [fn]

    Jhn 15:24

    “If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.

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  5. gmpilot Says:

    CJW: ”It’s always comical (and, quite frankly, very sad) to watch a person like you argue over his own version of ignorance, myth, magic and superstition as being the “right” version. See? I could ridicule you right back.”

    Yes, you could. But if I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

    ”When Pilate asked, “what is truth,” he was too uninformed to realize that the Man of Truth was standing right in front of him!”

    He couldn’t have been that uninformed: he didn’t want to execute the man, did he?

    ”People twist the truth all the time. What I meant was that I won’t let anyone twist the truth on me, so that I would stray from true faith.”

    I can’t read your mind, so I can’t know what you meant; all I know is what you said. If you can’t control your words better, perhaps you shouldn’t use them.

    ”It would be an impossible endeavor to keep lost people from twisting the truth, in general. They do it all the time. Many Bible verses tell us this is so.”

    True. But that shouldn’t stop one from trying to correct it, now should it? And twisting the truth isn’t a talent limited to ‘lost people’. Seems to me you once had a beef with Rick Warren about that.

    ”So…despite some mistakes and errors in writings shared here – you wish to continue to “see what I write.” Hmmm…must be your desire to continue trying to discredit me. Your hatred continues to show. As a follower of Christ, I expect it.”

    Of course you do, because that’s what you’ve been taught. You’re a member of the most privileged, influential “underclass” in history, your fellows control most of the government, and much of the media; you have outposts in every neighborhood, marked with the clan sigil; and others like you have infiltrated into other nations all over the planet, and have been doing so for centuries…but you’re being oppressed. I see it every day.
    I’ll hold off on the mockery; your fellow believers are better at the scourging and crucifying than I am. Christians are their own worst enemies when it comes to discrediting people.
    But I will correct you when I can. I always do.

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  6. christinewjc Says:

    Recap:

    Christine:

    ”When Pilate asked, “what is truth,” he was too uninformed to realize that the Man of Truth was standing right in front of him!”

    GM:

    He couldn’t have been that uninformed: he didn’t want to execute the man, did he?

    Which proves my point. Pilate wasn’t concerned about the truth, he just didn’t want a riot to break out in the courtyard of public opinion. Therefore, my analysis that Pilate was “uninformed” is correct. What’s more, he wasn’t genuinely interested in finding out about absolute truth (even though he asked the question, “what is truth?”). Therefore, he didn’t search out the matter concerning Jesus, and Jesus had the wisdom and knowledge to know the difference.

    About “twisting” the truth. Oftentimes, an individual may have some portion of the truth. But when he/she strays from the truth of the Scriptures, THAT is when they get into the realm of heresy and apostasy. Such things are warned about in Scripture.

    Rick Warren has delved into heresy a few times. His embrace of Chrislam (IMHO) is the most egregious yet.

    The rest of your comment is liberal leftist drivel. Unfortunately, it’s very typical of your type of mindset.

    You make a claim to “hold off on the mockery,” yet, your hatred for me continues to blast through. Wow. I’d hate to be like you – seeking out those with whom one disagrees and continuing to blast them (me). You fit right in with the Saul Alinsky worshippers of Lucifer who have been taught such verbal techniques as using terms like “scourging,” “mocking,” “crucifying,” “worst enemies,” and discrediting” people. Reveals much about why you are here. And, it’s not to “correct” me. Goes much deeper than that.

    Sad. Truly sad.

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  7. gmpilot Says:

    Reply:

    CJW:

    About “twisting” the truth. Oftentimes, an individual may have some portion of the truth. But when he/she strays from the truth of the Scriptures, THAT is when they get into the realm of heresy and apostasy. Such things are warned about in Scripture.
    Rick Warren has delved into heresy a few times. His embrace of Chrislam (IMHO) is the most egregious yet.

    So it took you this long to reply. I was sure you’d overlook it.
    I read your posts on Warren years ago—you were so enthusiastic that it persuaded me to read his book. If you now find him to be not up to standard, then you just may have ruined my chances with your god, and it shows you aren’t part of the ‘elect’ either, since he deceived you too.
    “Chrislam”?! What the heck is—oh, I see. A new word for Christ’s people (some of them) to cluster around. From the same source as “Islamofascism”, is it?

    You make a claim to “hold off on the mockery,” yet, your hatred for me continues to blast through. Wow. I’d hate to be like you – seeking out those with whom one disagrees and continuing to blast them (me). You fit right in with the Saul Alinsky worshippers of Lucifer who have been taught such verbal techniques as using terms like “scourging,” “mocking,” “crucifying,” “worst enemies,” and discrediting” people. Reveals much about why you are here. And, it’s not to “correct” me. Goes much deeper than that.
    Sad. Truly sad.

    Except that I don’t worship Lucifer, or any other so-called deity, and I’d never even heard of Saul Alinsky until you brought him up a few years ago. And isn’t it amazing that those terms you quote all have a biblical tangent to them? What other wonderful terms does that book use in telling us how to deal with people?

    Disagreement is not an indication of hostility. You used to believe that, once. Not now.
    I’ve been here for a long time. Long enough for you to designate me as your “favorite nemesis” and a host of other disparaging terms…but just because you speak to me this way is no reason for me to quit. Also, mockery is quite effective against your type of mindset. It gets your attention when nothing else does.
    I’ll still try to correct you when you go so far off course.

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  8. christinewjc Says:

    You know what GM? If you would just do some research online then you would know what “Chrislam” is. It is heretical and against biblical Christianity. Warren has gone off the deep end, once again. However, the Bible does tell us that some will leave the faith and follow after false prophets.

    Here’s a whole list of Bible verses containing warnings.

    .
    2Pe 2:1

    But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (bold mine)

    1Jo 4:1

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    1Ti 5:24

    Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.

    1Ti 5:25

    Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

    We can recognize them by their “fruits.”

    Mat 7:16

    Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    Mat 7:20

    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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    Oh, BTW, have an email to share with you:
    (With thanks to my friend Donna!)

    Origin of Left and Right…

    I have often wondered why it is that Conservatives are called the
    “right” and Liberals are called the “left”.

    By chance I stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:

    “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the
    fool to the left.” Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

    Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen.

    Can’t get any simpler than that.

    And to Peter, ‘if you want to catch fish do it from the right side of
    the boat. They did and filled the boat.

    Spelling Lesson

    The last four letters in American……….I Can

    The last four letters in Republican……..I Can

    The last four letters in Democrats………Rats

    End of lesson.

    Test to follow on 06 NOV, 2014 @ your voting place !

    Remember, November is to be set aside as rodent removal month!

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  9. gmpilot Says:

    Since I have no dealings with Christianity or Islam, it’s all just noise to me. Dangerous noise, but still noise.

    The way I heard it, its origins were after the French Revolution. The Left represented the peasants and laborers, as well as the farmers and other subsistence workers. The Right represented the landed gentry, the merchants, the military and the Church. Their names came exclusively from the Speaker’s point of view; when facing the assembly, the commoners were on his left and the aristocrats on his right.

    As for your quotes, I’ll see that and raise:

    The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
    But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

    –Isaiah 32:7~8 (KJV)

    Your version of scripture doesn’t use that word, of course. It uses an even better word: noble.

    Hey, wasn’t Obama supposed to be overthrown today?

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  10. christinewjc Says:

    The trouble is, GM, the Democrats abandoned the true meaning of the term “liberal” long ago.

    Also, one must consider the context of the word “liberal” in biblical times.

    Liberal, Liberality, Liberally:

    denotes

    (a) “simplicity, sincerity, unaffectedness” (from haplous, “single, simple,” in contrast to diplous, “double”), Rom 12:8, “simplicity;” 2Cr 11:3 (in some mss. in 2Cr 1:12); Eph 6:5; Col 3:22, singleness;”

    (b) “simplicity as manifested in generous giving,” “liberality,” 2Cr 8:2; 9:11 (AV, “bountifulness,” RV marg., “singleness”); 9:13 (AV, “liberal”).
    See BOUNTY, No. 2.

    2 Noun Strong’s Number: g5485 Greek: charis

    Liberal, Liberality, Liberally:

    is rendered “liberality” in 1Cr 16:3, AV.
    See BOUNTY, No. 3.

    101 Adverb Strong’s Number: g574 Greek: haplos

    Liberal, Liberality, Liberally:

    “liberally, with singleness of heart,” is used in Jam 1:5 of God as the gracious and “liberal” Giver. The word may be taken either

    (a) in a logical sense, signifying unconditionally, simply, or

    (b) in a moral sense, generously; for the double meaning compare A, No. 1. On this passage Hort writes as follows: “Later writers comprehend under the one word the whole magnanimous and honorable type of character in which singleness of mind is the central feature.”

    Today’s former so-called liberals have replaced such a title (and therefore, the original biblical meaning of the word) with progressivism which combines socialism, communism, Nazism, Islamism and any other “ism” that is void of the definition above. Progressivism belief is often devoid of mercy, grace, true peace, righteousness, and genuine love.

    The horrible and horrendous track record of all of these “isms” throughout history proves the point.

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  11. gmpilot Says:

    CJW: The trouble is, GM, the Democrats abandoned the true meaning of the term “liberal” long ago.
    Also, one must consider the context of the word “liberal” in biblical times.

    You’re entitled to your own opinions, of course. Got any facts to back them up?

    You’re still tossing around a word salad of “isms” which have have little if anything to do with each other, and worse, some of them are opposed to each other (Communism and Nazism, for example).
    Socialism can’t have been all that bad if the early Christians practiced it!

    If you had done some studying online, you’d have found out what I did, and that your correspondent Donna has no better grasp of history than you do.
    If you had done some studying online, you would have known that Einstein was a Jew, and that your little second-hand folktale couldn’t have been true.
    You’re the one with a degree in Education. Looks like you’ve not been using it lately.

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  12. christinewjc Says:

    The facts were in the link I shared regarding the original meaning of the word “liberal” in Greek.

    Here’s more:

    Liberal; Liberality; Liberally:

    lib’-er-al, lib-er-al’-i-ti, lib’-er-al-i: The different forms of the word all refer to one who is generous, bountiful, willing and ready to give and to help. Both the Hebrew words of the Old Testament and the Greek words of the New Testament translated into the English word “liberal” have a deeper and nobler meaning than is generally conveyed by the English word. In Pr 11:25, the liberal soul (nephesh berakhah) means a soul that carries a blessing. In Isa 32:5, the American Standard Revised Version has “bountiful” where the King James Version has “liberal,” and in Isa 32:8 “noble” takes the place of “liberal” (nadhibh). The principal Greek words are haplotes literally, “simplicity,” “sincerity,” and charis, “grace,” “favor.” In 1Co 16:3, “bounty” substitutes “liberality.” It is well to bear in mind that a Biblical liberality can spring only out of a noble soul, and is Godlike in its genesis and spirit.

    Written by G. H. Geberding

    Yep…yep…yep… Once again, I just knew that you would resort to name calling. It is what people like you do when you don’t have an intelligent response to what has been shared. All you had left was your latest spew-ism. So typical…

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  13. gmpilot Says:

    Did you read that entry explaining the origin of political ‘left’ and ‘right’? I don’t see any acknowledgement of it.
    What I said what that you seem to have no grasp of history, and implied that you’re too lazy to check even small facts for yourself. I also said that you don’t seem to have used your sheepskin much recently.
    But I didn’t call you any names. You’ll know it if I do.

    Geberding is right: “liberal” means all of that, and it sounds quite nice. Think you can find “conservative” or its equivalent in your bible? I’d like to hear the interpretation of that one, too.
    When you don’t have an intelligent response to what has been shared, you start quoting the bible at me; you seem to think I’ve never read it before, and there’s something new in it that I have overlooked.
    I have, and there isn’t.

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  14. christinewjc Says:

    Hmmm…seems you dislike being quoted the Bible. You certainly are not alone in such an offense. Those who hate Christianity, the Cross of Calvary, and Jesus Christ himself have their own humanistic reasons for thinking such beliefs are offensive.

    Well, here are some reasons why:

    1. Offense

    Isa 8:14

    He will be as a sanctuary,
    But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense
    To both the houses of Israel,
    As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

    Mat 16:23

    But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

    Mat 18:7

    “Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

    Rom 9:33

    As it is written:

    “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
    And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” [fn]

    1Pe 2:8

    and

    “A stone of stumbling
    And a rock of offense.” [fn]
    They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

    However, the Bible also reveals why those who belong to Christ do not find offense to the gospel:

    Hos 5:15

    I will return again to My place
    Till they acknowledge their offense.
    Then they will seek My face;
    In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”

    Rom 5:15

    But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

    Rom 5:16

    And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.

    Rom 5:18

    Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

    Rom 5:20

    Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

    Phl 1:10

    that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ,

    Because of sin and the refusal to repent, those who do not accept the great gift of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross are bitter because they are perishing:

    2Co 4:3

    But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,

    It is a spiritual renewal taking place in the believer:

    2Co 4:16

    Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.

    The resentment of those who despise the Gospel is clear when they become reviled at the cross of Christ and the salvation of believers:

    2Co 2:15

    For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.

    1Co 1:18

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    Jesus told us that unregenerate man would hate us, just as they hated Him first:

    Jhn 15:18

    “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.

    Jhn 15:25

    “But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’ [fn]

    [The above verse is a fulfillment of prophecy]

    Psa 69:4

    Those who hate me without a cause
    Are more than the hairs of my head;
    They are mighty who would destroy me,
    Being my enemies wrongfully;
    Though I have stolen nothing,
    I still must restore it.

    You see, Jesus Christ is both the offspring and root of David.

    Rev 22:16

    “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

    Therefore, many of the Psalms apply to both David at the time written, but also Christ in the future.

    Many more such prophecies are found in Isaiah.

    One example:

    Isa 7:10

    Moreover the LORD spoke again to Ahaz, saying,

    Isa 7:11

    “Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; ask it either in the depth or in the height above.”

    Isa 7:12

    But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!”

    Isa 7:13

    Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also?

    Isa 7:14

    “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. [fn]

    Isa 7:15

    “Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

    Another example of prophesy about Christ in Psalms:

    Psa 22:16

    For dogs have surrounded Me;
    The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
    They pierced [fn] My hands and My feet;

    Psa 22:17

    I can count all My bones.
    They look and stare at Me.

    Psa 22:18

    They divide My garments among them,
    And for My clothing they cast lots.

    And, the fulfillment of the Scripture:

    Mat 27:35

    Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, [fn] that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet:

    “They divided My garments among them,
    And for My clothing they cast lots.” [fn]

    Jhn 19:24

    They said therefore among themselves, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be,” that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says:

    “They divided My garments among them,
    And for My clothing they cast lots.” [fn]
    Therefore the soldiers did these things.

    Another example of prophecy written in Psalms, and fulfilled by Jesus:

    Psa 34:20

    He guards all his bones;
    Not one of them is broken.

    Jhn 19:36

    For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.” [fn]

    And then, when Jesus was resurrected from the dead and appeared before the disciples, he stated:

    Luk 24:39

    “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

    Jhn 15:24

    “If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.

    Despite all of the miracles Jesus did to show the Jews that He is their Messiah, they still refused to believe in Him.

    Jesus knew of this betrayal

    They were a faithless and perverse nation. Sounds a lot like today.

    Luk 9:41

    Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you and bear with you? Bring your son here.”

    But those who repent and turn to Christ, even at the last minute in their eternal lives will be saved.

    Luk 23:39

    Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, [fn] save Yourself and us.”

    Luk 23:40

    But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation?

    Luk 23:41

    “And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.”

    Luk 23:42

    Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, [fn] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

    Luk 23:43

    And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

    Entire account of this here.

    Jhn 19:28

    After this, Jesus, knowing [fn] that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!”

    Jhn 19:30

    So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

    But praise God, that’s not the end of the story!

    Mat 28:6

    “He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

    Mat 28:7

    “And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.”

    Mar 16:6

    But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.

    Luk 24:6

    “He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee,

    Rom 8:34

    Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

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