Blood Moons

 

Have you heard about the renewed interest regarding the special days during 2014 and 2015 where  blood moons will be appearing in the sky?  According to reports from WND, several books written on the subject, and a few Messianic Jew programs on Daystar and TBN, there will be 4 blood moons appearing in the sky on Jewish holidays during 2014 – 2015.  The first one appeared last night (12:00 a.m. PT, 3:00 a.m. ET) on the eve of Passover.

Reports about such phenomenon have popped up in various places of late.  One of the biggest attention grabbers on the subject was when Matt Drudge had a headline at his website with links to articles about them.

WEEK OF THE BLOOD MOON… ^
From the April 14, 2014 20:35:59 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

WEEK OF THE BLOOD MOON ^
From the April 13, 2014 19:57:29 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Blood moon eclipse is special event… ^
From the April 03, 2014 16:25:24 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

 

From the first article:

Popular televangelist claims four blood moons are sign of ‘world-shaking event’

Four complete lunar eclipses will appear in the sky starting on April 15. Pastor John Hagee, of Texas’ Cornerstone Church, believes God is trying to communicate with humans through these celestial signs.

Four lunar eclipses are set to blaze in the sky starting on April 15. The eclipses will occur in roughly six-month intervals until October 2015. The blood moons fall on Passover and during the Feast of Tabernacles.

The heavens are putting on a celestial show next week — and one Christian pastor is convinced it’s a sign from God.

Bestselling author and televangelist Pastor John Hagee claims the four blood moons that will soon appear in the skies over America are evidence of a future “world-shaking event.”

The blood moons are part of a tetrad, a set of complete and consecutive lunar eclipses that will begin on April 15 and continue in roughly six-month intervals until October 2015.

According to NASA, seeing four complete lunar eclipses in a row is very rare. The skies were tetrad-free from 1600 to 1900. But in the 21st century, there will be many.

What’s even stranger is that Americans have a front row seat.

“The most unique thing about the 2014-2015 tetrad is that all of them are visible for all or parts of the USA,” NASA eclipse expert Fred Espenak told CNN.

Hagee, founder of Texas’ Cornerstone Church, thinks this is no coincidence. For him, it’s a sign of the end times.

The 73-year-old preacher has been preparing for the tetrad for years. He released a book about the blood moons last October and will go in depth about his speculations during a special TV event on April 15 on the Global Evangelism Television channel.

He points to Acts 2:19-20, which reads, “And I will show wonders in Heaven above and signs in the Earth beneath, the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.”

In sermons to his flock, Hagee said that each of the blood moons happens on a religiously significant day.

The April 15 event happens during Passover. On Oct. 8, the blood moon will occur during the Feast of Tabernacles. Another blood moon will occur during Passover on April 4, 2015. The last will happen on Sept. 28, 2015, another Feast ot the Tabernacles.

For proof of his theory, Hagee finds connections between past tetrads and important events in the life of the Jewish people.

In 1493, a tetrad occurred while the Jews were being expelled from Spain. Another tetrad occurred in 1949, soon after the state of Israel was founded. The skies saw another tetrad in 1967, during the Six-Day War between Arabs and Israelis.

“Just as in biblical times, God is controlling the sun, the moon, and the stars to send our generation a signal that something big is about to happen. The question is: Are we watching and listening to His message?” Hagee writes in his book.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/televangelist-claims-blood-moons-sign-world-shaking-event-article-1.1754601#ixzz2yyWCKbT7

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If you listen to (and view) the short video at that link, you will hear the condescending attitude of the speaker.  So…what else is new?  People all over the USA are writing comments on posts about their “theories” regarding the blood moons.  Those who have studied the Bible see the significance of these blood moons happening on special days in Israel’s history (see above article).

Now, the coming tetrad of  blood moons will happen on Jewish holidays.  The first of the tetrad appeared on the eve (at midnight on West Coast, 3:00 a.m. on East Coast) of Passover last night (April 15, 2014).  The next one will appear on October 8th during the Feast of Tabernacles.  Another blood moon will occur during Passover on April 4, 2015. The last will happen on Sept. 28, 2015, another Feast of the Tabernacles.

Those who have studied and understand that the Bible is true and the prophecies therein (many of which were fulfilled by Jesus Christ in the past; as will the last days prophecies which are to be fulfilled by Him in the future) are also true.  Therefore, we cannot miss the huge significance of these events in the cosmos!  They all will come to fruition!

With over 3 million posts about the blood moons on Start Page, everyone must admit that these phenomenon have stirred up a LOT of interest!

Of course, there will be the typical naysayers who will pooh-pooh such events.

But those who are in Christ and have studied the Bible cannot miss the significance of these blood moon events!

Hat tips to all links.

 

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Update!

 

Also see what the prophetic meaning could be regarding the land of Israel!

THE HEAVENS DECLARE

‘Blood Moons’ spark talk with Orthodox Jew

‘These could be prophetic warnings not to divide the land of Israel’

Published: 20 hours ago

(CHARISMAMAG) — In 2013, I had the special privilege to meet pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries. Pastor Mark is bright, friendly and engaging.

He expresses a unique love and support for Israel and immediately jumped on board as a partner and supporter of Heart to Heart, the virtual blood donation program I have the privilege of running from Israel. Ever respectful of Jewish tradition, we met at one of Seattle’s kosher restaurants and became fast friends.

While I had heard of and been questioned about the blood moons for months before we met, I knew that Pastor Mark had a special role in the awareness of this heavenly sign. In fact, he is the one who broke the code—so to speak—in 2008, brilliantly overlaying the occurrences of blood moons dating back thousands of years—no, he’s not that old; he used the NASA website—with the Hebrew calendar. His discovery is the talk among many pastors, churches and ministries, which even was the topic of conversation over Shabbat dinner in my orthodox Jewish home recently.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/blood-moons-spark-talk-with-orthodox-jew/#LmYyOH3TIrzwh6kB.99

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26 Responses to “Blood Moons”

  1. Cry and Howl Says:

    Hey Christine! I hope you’ve been doing okay.
    Now, personally I don’t know if I see the significance of these “blood moons” occurring. If they’ve occurred before then … well … I don’t know. I don’t want to sound pessimistic or critical, but I really don’t trust these guys who predict stuff like this. I think we should be ready regardless.

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  2. christinewjc Says:

    Hi Steve!

    Yes – I’m doing fine!

    The fact that previous blood moons appeared at times of significance in Israel’s history should grab our attention. For example:

    “In 1493, a tetrad occurred while the Jews were being expelled from Spain. Another tetrad occurred in 1949, soon after the state of Israel was founded. The skies saw another tetrad in 1967, during the Six-Day War between Arabs and Israelis.”

    Now, a tetrad of blood moons will occur (first one occurred last night) on Jewish holidays in 2014 – 2015. I saw it with my own eyes! The photo I took with my IPhone didn’t come out very well, but will upload it and show you.

    I don’t know if you saw my late addition to the post, but some are saying that the appearance of these blood moons may also be a warning not to divide the Nation of Israel!

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  3. christinewjc Says:

    Update!

    Also see what the prophetic meaning could be regarding the land of Israel!

    THE HEAVENS DECLARE

    ‘Blood Moons’ spark talk with Orthodox Jew

    ‘These could be prophetic warnings not to divide the land of Israel’

    Published: 20 hours ago

    (CHARISMAMAG) — In 2013, I had the special privilege to meet pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries. Pastor Mark is bright, friendly and engaging.

    He expresses a unique love and support for Israel and immediately jumped on board as a partner and supporter of Heart to Heart, the virtual blood donation program I have the privilege of running from Israel. Ever respectful of Jewish tradition, we met at one of Seattle’s kosher restaurants and became fast friends.

    While I had heard of and been questioned about the blood moons for months before we met, I knew that Pastor Mark had a special role in the awareness of this heavenly sign. In fact, he is the one who broke the code—so to speak—in 2008, brilliantly overlaying the occurrences of blood moons dating back thousands of years—no, he’s not that old; he used the NASA website—with the Hebrew calendar. His discovery is the talk among many pastors, churches and ministries, which even was the topic of conversation over Shabbat dinner in my orthodox Jewish home recently.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/blood-moons-spark-talk-with-orthodox-jew/#LmYyOH3TIrzwh6kB.99

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  4. gmpilot Says:

    This has nothing whatever to do with blood moons, but the timing happens to be right:

    According to MoralMatters.com, Obama’s documentation was ‘officially’ declared a forgery on the 4th of April 2013, one year ago. It is to be supposed that Joe has finally set the machinery of the law into motion—that the Phoenix DA and the Arizona AG, at least, now have copies of this evidence.
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s sock puppets Mike Zullo and Carl Gallups made it pretty clear that the paper chase was winding to a close:

    “……Again, Lt. Zullo and I, cannot, and will not give anyone exacting details and names and dates and times and places. Of course the Obamabots would love for us to do that, so that they could attack the people who are involved, in this big Plan A, that is on its way.” –Carl Gallups

    This was published on your previous blogsite, with anticipatory pleasure, I suspect. The hammer was preparing to fall on the ‘ObaMARXIST BADministration’ at last. Yet a year has now passed, and nothing more has been heard about this. I told you then: “Be sure to let us know when it goes public. Otherwise, I shall have to remind you now and then that nothing’s happening.” Consider this a reminder.

    Sheriff Arpaio’s attempted assassin has been caught , but there hasn’t been much coverage in the mainstream press about it, and seemingly none at all in the right-wing press, given that it happened barely a month ago. I’m a bit surprised that you haven’t mentioned it!
    We still don’t know the man’s motive (he may have been trying to frame a former business partner), or his political affiliation, if any. But it doesn’t seem to be relevant to the Big Story: removing the Awful Black Man from the White House.

    Gallups’ declared “Very soon, certain members of the media, the courts, and congress are going to look very silly. They have been ignoring this, sitting on it, marginalizing it, and flat-out trashing the matter for years. They will soon be seen for what they are. This matter should have been investigated by Congress years ago. It is their constitutional mandate and they ignored it – purposely. This whole thing could have been resolved one way or the other years back. The media blacked it out. But we don’t need the pundit media anymore. We are going around the MSM. We have other venues now. More and more, very important people of constitutional standing are being enlightened and coming on board. Soon, the world will know that we have been correct in this matter all along.”

    “…Anyone who claims they know what they are talking about and they are screaming for “criminal charges to be filed now” – be wary of them. They are up to no good. They are purposely trying to derail this case. Zullo and Arpaio are not that stupid. They know what they are doing. Arpaio and Zullo have almost 80 years of professional law enforcement experience between them. Arpaio has 30 years of federal law enforcement background. He knows how this game is played. This will soon be handled the way the constitution demands that it be handled. And when it is handled properly – it will stick!”

    So when will these charges be filed? I figure around Election Day 2016…especially if Republicans lose again.

    For now, it seems to me that this birth certificate declaration—like all the others—is Galluping into oblivion.

    I’ll comment on the Scary Cosmos story later.

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  5. gmpilot Says:

    Am I reading this wrong, or is everyone hedging their bets on what the red moons are supposed to mean?

    CJW: “Also see what the prophetic meaning could be regarding the land of Israel!”

    Pastor Biltz: ‘These could be prophetic warnings not to divide the land of Israel’

    Okay, it could be…but what if it’s not? What if it’s just another astronomical event, like a comet?
    The only one who actually commits himself to this is Hagee. Unlike the others, he is absolutely certain that he knows what it means; that he knows what’s happening (or is about to happen).

    In sermons to his flock, Hagee said that each of the blood moons happens on a religiously significant day.
    The April 15 event happens during Passover. On Oct. 8, the blood moon will occur during the Feast of Tabernacles. Another blood moon will occur during Passover on April 4, 2015. The last will happen on Sept. 28, 2015, another Feast of the Tabernacles.

    Does Hagee actually observe Passover, of the Feast of Tabernacles? If so, he’s Jewish, not Christian! It’s interesting that the genuine Jew (Biltz) isn’t prepared to go as far as Hagee has. It’s also amusing to think that a Christian can tell a Jew anything about the Jew’s own god.

    Pastor Biltz: “Between 1900-2000 there were five tetrads … two occurred on feast days, 1949-1950 and 1967-1968. These were epic years for the Jewish people, with major prophetic implications. In 1948 Israel became a nation and in 1967 the Israelites recaptured Jerusalem. Not only do we have four blood moons in a row, with all four falling on feast days, but they also happened at a time when historic prophecies were fulfilled.”

    But Hagee only referred to two of those tetrads—probably because he couldn’t find a way to tie them to Israel. The first one was 1909-10, and the great heavenly sign of 1910 was Halley’s Comet. The second was 1927-28, during the midst of a worldwide economic boom: the Crash didn’t occur until October of ’29. (Maybe Einstein did something really important then—I’d have to check.) The third tetrad began in 1949, the year after Israel was established as a nation (one might have thought it would have begun only a week or so after), and 1950 saw the start of the Korean Conflict, which had nothing whatever to do with the Middle East. The fourth tetrad was 1967-68, which included the Six-Day War, and is the easiest one to link to as significant. The last was 1985-86, when Jonathan Pollard pleaded guilty to selling US military secrets to Israel, and the world learned for certain that Israel really did have nukes…and what do you know, Halley’s Comet came ’round again!
    If there’s really a pattern here to prophetic events, I don’t see it.

    As I recall, Christine, you have a close friend in Israel. What’s the buzz over there? What has she to say about all this?

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  6. christinewjc Says:

    I think that on this day – Good Friday – it is more important to discuss the blog post topic.

    GM wrote, “Am I reading this wrong, or is everyone hedging their bets on what the red moons are supposed to mean?”

    You are correct! Everyone from Bible scholars to secular broadcast reporters are sharing the possibilities of what the tetrad of blood moons (falling on Jewish holy days and/or feast days) could mean.

    Those with biblical knowledge have been sharing their thoughts – often backed up by Scripture.

    Those who do not know the Bible (or reject the teachings therein) have different ideas. They are more “earthly-minded,” about it – along with being scientifically minded about such events in the cosmos.

    I went to the Christian bookstore a few days ago, and both Hagee’s and Biltz’ blood moon books were sold out. I found one written by Mark Hitchcock called, “Blood Moons Rising.”

    I have only read a few pages so far, but I like what he has written. He states there are three main views of signs of the times.
    1. Skepticism: There are no signs of the times.
    2. Sensationalism: Almost everything is a sign.
    3. Stage-Setting: Some major developments in our world today are discernible signs of the end times.

    I believe that the stage-setting view is correct.

    You probably don’t.

    Even though this is only the beginning of the discussion here, I want to include a quote by John Walvoord, in his bestselling book Armageddon, Oil, and the Middle East Crisis, wrote back in 1974 (which is even more relevant today):

    Our present world is well prepared for the beginning of the prophetic drama that will lead to Armageddon. Since the stage is being set for this dramatic climax of the age, it must mean that Christ’s coming for His own is very near. If there ever was an hour when men should consider their personal relationship to Jesus Christ, it is today. God is saying to this generation: “Prepare for the coming of the Lord.”

    That’s the key message for our day.

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  7. christinewjc Says:

    P.S. About Mark Biltz – He is a Messianic Jew (which means he follows the Jewish holidays and feasts, but also believes that Jesus is the Messiah).

    You can read more about his ministry here:

    El Shaddai Ministries [Note: PDF page].

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  8. christinewjc Says:

    GM asked:

    “As I recall, Christine, you have a close friend in Israel. What’s the buzz over there? What has she to say about all this?”

    I haven’t heard from Susan Smith in years. She moved back to the U.S. several years ago and is studying to become a counselor.

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  9. gmpilot Says:

    Well played, Christine.
    But it’s still hedging the bet.

    Even Hitchcock’s three views of the “signs of the times” is a dodge. Being too skeptical is as bad as being too credulous…but “some major developments in our world today are discernible signs of the end times” is kinda weaselly. Remember what I pointed out about Halley’s Comet in my previous post?
    If you’re determined to find “signs” in events, you will find them, but it doesn’t mean they’re true.

    Hagee found only two so-called tetrad relevancies in the past hundred years. That’s hardly enough to establish a pattern. If Pastor Biltz or Mr. Hitchcock can do better, I’d be interested in hearing it, if only to take it apart afterward. You, on the other hand, would never give a hearing to those more “scientifically minded about such events in the cosmos”.

    I know that Biltz is a Messianic Jew (“Pastor” is a dead giveaway). But he doesn’t speak for most Jews any more than Hagee speaks for most Christians, many of whom also dispute the ‘blood moon’ forecasts. They can’t all be dismissed by calling them earthly-minded.
    Theology is a fascinating field of study the same way alchemy is. You’ll learn a lot, but you can’t do anything practical or useful with it…unlike, say, astronomy.

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  10. christinewjc Says:

    Oh gosh GM – please grow up! I’m not playing any games here (like you apparently like to do). I take these matters quite seriously.

    Hitchcock was stating the FACT that there will always be skeptics, as well as sensationalists on any given day in regards to religious beliefs. It doesn’t have to be the questioning going on about the phenomenon of blood moons. Any subject within Christianity has its detractors and attackers – and such individuals (as well as some groups) just LOVE to attack Christians on such matters.

    About your “genuine Jew” comment here:

    “Does Hagee actually observe Passover, of the Feast of Tabernacles? If so, he’s Jewish, not Christian! It’s interesting that the genuine Jew (Biltz) isn’t prepared to go as far as Hagee has. It’s also amusing to think that a Christian can tell a Jew anything about the Jew’s own god.”

    Do you even know who qualifies as a “genuine Jew”? I will await your answer.

    As far as Christians not observing the Jewish Passover – there is a good reason for that. We believe that Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Passover.

    GM wrote:

    ” If you’re determined to find “signs” in events, you will find them, but it doesn’t mean they’re true.”

    I recently watched an old 1961 movie called “King of Kings.” In the scene after the Sermon on the Mount, one of the attendees didn’t perceive what Jesus was teaching. This grieved his friend who became a believer and decided to follow Jesus. When another friend saw his sadness about the unbelieving friend, he said (paraphrased here): ‘Your friend heard the words, but didn’t understand them.’

    He was right. People can hear the truth (and even have the truth standing right in front of them – like when Pilate asked Jesus, “what is truth?) yet reject such truth because of lack of understanding what is being spoken. There are many reasons for this, but the biggest barrier is non-repentance of sin.

    You reveal yourself to be in either the “skeptics” camp or the “sensationalist” camp. Perhaps a mix of both?

    Your reliance on science only – without regarding God’s creation, purpose, magnificence, and use of it – shows your stubbornness and rejection of our Creator God and what is clearly being shared in the Bible. I’ve said it before – man is always trying to catch up to God. And all the science, knowledge, work, and money in the world is nothing without the wisdom and knowledge of God instructing us.

    All it takes is simple faith in His Son and the Gospel. Even a child can grasp it – but the reprobates refuse. God did say, “without faith, it is impossible to please God.” One must believe that He is – in order to place one’s faith in Him. The written Word of God and the Living Word – Jesus Christ – reveal enough for people to confidently put their faith in Him. Free will allows many to reject this. So be it.

    Well, don’t want to get too far off topic. But all of this is related, in the end.

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  11. gmpilot Says:

    You repeat all this juju about blood moons and prophecies and about the messages that god could be sending to us…and you’re telling me to grow up? You should watch where you point that finger.

    “Any subject within Christianity has its detractors and attackers – and such individuals (as well as some groups) just LOVE to attack Christians on such matters.”

    Any subject within Christianity also has its credulous followers. There are more of them than there are detractors, which is why Christians can be so easily attacked on such matters. Believers are happy to make use of reason and science selectively, as long as it supports their religion, but the moment these tools reveal flaws in their belief system, they slash the ties and float free, soaring on the wings of faith, unencumbered by rationality. I saw that at your old sites all the time.
    But the fact remains that many of those detractors and attackers are Christians themselves; you can’t dismiss their words the way you do mine.

    “Do you even know who qualifies as a “genuine Jew”? I will await your answer.”

    No, I don’t know, anymore than I know who qualifies as a “true Christian”. As far as I care, if they say they are, they are…until they demonstrate they’re not. If they behave in a manner contrary to what they profess, then I conclude they aren’t “genuine” or “true”.
    I don’t know who qualifies as a genuine Jew, but I know YOU don’t. ”We believe that Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Passover.” That alone makes you not one of them.

    “You reveal yourself to be in either the “skeptics” camp or the “sensationalist” camp. Perhaps a mix of both?”

    I know red moons exist. I don’t know that gods exist. Call me a skeptic, as you’ve always done.

    “All it takes is simple faith in His Son and the Gospel. Even a child can grasp it – but the reprobates refuse.”

    So, Buddhists and Hindus and Muslims—and Jews—are all reprobates, right? Very interesting.
    ‘Simple faith’ never questions; it only accepts. Children will believe anything, especially if an authority figure tells it to them. Children learn very quickly that the best way to play it safe is to Do As The Adult Says. “God the Father” is the ultimate adult—and is always portrayed that way. This very weekend you are celebrating a father who engineered the murder of his own son…who had done nothing wrong! I’d very much like to see you explain that to a child.

    My commanding officer never desired my faith, only my obedience. I could think whatever I wanted about him as long as I followed his orders. Of course, the difference between the Living Word and my CO was that I could actually see and speak to my CO, and get an unambiguous answer back. I didn’t need an interpreter.
    If you’re more comfortable with the other way, so be it.

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  12. christinewjc Says:

    At least you admitted that you don’t know who would qualify as a “genuine Jew.” However, you then state that:

    “As far as I care, if they say they are, they are…until they demonstrate they’re not. If they behave in a manner contrary to what they profess, then I conclude they aren’t “genuine” or “true”.”

    This could take weeks of study, but what you expect of genuineness in people and truth (objectively speaking) is far different from what God sees as genuineness in people and what constitutes ultimate truth.

    You also wrote:

    “This very weekend you are celebrating a father who engineered the murder of his own son…who had done nothing wrong! I’d very much like to see you explain that to a child.”

    What you still fail to see is that Jesus laid down his life of his own accord, for our sakes and for us to be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven. He could have called down legions of angels to rescue Him from that cross, but His ultimate purpose far outweighed the pain of scourging and death. His temporary separation from His Father is something that had to happen in order for the sin transferred to His body to be dealt with.

    In the military, isn’t it considered brave, courageous, selfless, and honorary for a soldier to lay down his own life to save his fellow man? Where do you think that concept originally came from? I would venture to guess that it was as a result of Christ’s sacrifice for mankind.

    Jesus said:

    Jhn 15:13

    “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

    It is an act of selfless love for others.

    In the case of Jesus, His resurrection was proof of His claims as he fulfilled many prophecies recorded in the Old Testament. Without Christ’s crucifixion, death, resurrection to life, and ascension to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father; our faith would be void of any usefulness.

    All other religions worship something, or someone else; neither of which has any power to save the souls of men. Why? Because they either worship inanimate objects or dead prophets.

    Both of my children understood the meaning of Christ’s gospel at young ages – 7 years and 8 years. As they have now grown into adulthood, they comprehend even more of the relevance. The age of accountability is said to range between 7 – 12 years of age. If a child dies before then, they go straight to heaven in Christ.

    It isn’t the children that we need to worry so much about “not understanding”; it is the adults who do understand, yet do not believe.

    I am further along in the Blood Moons book and the consistency of the cosmos, biblical history as it relates to Israel, and the appearance of blood moons is very telling about how God said that he would send signs to alert believers that the end times are near – maybe even at the door.

    Luk 21:25

    “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;

    Luk 21:26

    “men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

    Luk 21:27

    “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    Luk 21:28

    “Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

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  13. gmpilot Says:

    GM: “As far as I care, if they say they are, they are…until they demonstrate they’re not. If they behave in a manner contrary to what they profess, then I conclude they aren’t “genuine” or “true”.”

    CJW: ”This could take weeks of study, but what you expect of genuineness in people and truth (objectively speaking) is far different from what God sees as genuineness in people and what constitutes ultimate truth.”

    All right, I’ll put this in a proper context: all those pedophile clergymen who have been exposed in the past decade.
    I am certain that every one of them regarded himself as a Christian.
    I am certain that every one of them knew themselves to be violating civil law, ecclesiastical law and the bodies and minds of their victims.
    I am certain that over the course of their careers, they had reason to read, or hear, or misquote that passage from Numbers 32:33: “…be sure your sin will find you out.”

    Yet these men all behaved as if those words did not apply to them. They even were aided by their superiors in their efforts to evade or delay being caught, when they of all people must have believed and known that someday they would have to face up to it. Their behavior gives the lie to what they claimed to believe. There’s your ‘ultimate truth’. They betrayed their god, their charges, and their trust.
    (You may say “They won’t escape it in eternity” or some such, but eternal punishment cannot alleviate temporal pain. It just pushes it into an afterlife where no one sees it happen, or can even know if it IS happening.)

    Martin Luther, and millions of others before and after him, held/hold Jewish people in deepest contempt. Yet the bible they claim to revere makes it plain that Jews are the Chosen People©, and not to be messed with.
    So, you tell me—who is genuine or true? How many weeks will you require to explain it?

    ”What you still fail to see is that Jesus laid down his life of his own accord, for our sakes and for us to be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven. He could have called down legions of angels to rescue Him from that cross, but His ultimate purpose far outweighed the pain of scourging and death. His temporary separation from His Father is something that had to happen in order for the sin transferred to His body to be dealt with.”

    A ‘temporary seperation’?! In other words, he was momentarily inconvenienced for our sins, he got back everything he’d lost, and even now sits on his own right hand as the Co-Ruler of the Universe. Just what did he sacrifice?

    ”In the military, isn’t it considered brave, courageous, selfless, and honorary for a soldier to lay down his own life to save his fellow man? Where do you think that concept originally came from? I would venture to guess that it was as a result of Christ’s sacrifice for mankind.”

    That’s “honorable”, not “honorary”. Yes, it is. But the concept has always been practiced, in other lands at other times, most of which had never heard of your Christ. But even pagans do that. I think it’s far nobler to lay down one’s life for someone who is not your friend; someone who you’d normally avoid getting near. Firemen and police do that all the time. The citizens on whose behalf they may die are not known to them personally.

    ”It isn’t the children that we need to worry so much about “not understanding”; it is the adults who do understand, yet do not believe.”

    “It ain’t the parts of the bible I don’t understand that bother me. It’s the parts that I do understand.”

    ”…the appearance of blood moons is very telling about how God said that he would send signs to alert believers that the end times are near – maybe even at the door.”

    But your god is not bound to our clocks: this end time nearness could be 300 years away. What does “soon” mean to an immortal being? Why wouldn’t a supernatural being use supernatural methods to communicate with us? He has before: bushes that burn but don’t burn up; pillars of clouds by day and fire by night; animals using human speech; a star that moves and hovers in one spot.
    Now he resorts to natural phenomena. Earthquakes. Plagues. Floods. Tidal waves. Maybe the occasional meteor strike. Now if he were to appear on all TV and radio bands and the Internet simultaneously and everyone heard/read him in their own language, I’d have no real way to doubt that one.

    Back on topic: “blood moons” have appeared in other times and cultures, too—everybody can see the moon. I doubt if Hagee—or Biltz, or you—have bothered to look into that side of it. Hm?

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  14. christinewjc Says:

    Oh gosh…here we go again! Your “pedophile priests objections” have previously been asked by you many years ago, and they were answered at my former blog. Go read it again HERE.

    There are traditional beliefs within the Catholic church that do not agree with biblical Christianity. In fact, I recently viewed a program called “The Way of the Master” on Daystar, where Todd Friel described exactly why Martin Luther posted those 95 Theses on the church door. They explained where the Catholic church and the Bible did not agree. Two words can help sum it up. The terms “imputed” vs. “infused.”

    The Catholic church teaches that when one is baptized and becomes a Christian, a part of the person of Jesus Christ is infused (think injected) into the person. And, if that person doesn’t commit any gross sins, follows the sacraments, worked towards holiness, and dies with the last rites sacrament, he can go to heaven. In other words, the person had a little bit of Jesus Christ in him, but had to work his way towards perfection.

    infused:

    Word Origin & History

    infuse

    early 15c., “to pour in,” from L. infusus, pp. of infundere “to pour into,” from in- “in” + fundere “pour, spread” (see found (2)). Figurative sense of “instill, inspire” first recorded 1520s (infusion in this sense dates from mid-15c.).

    But Martin Luther read in Romans 1:19: “The just shall live by faith.” and thus he reiterated the term “imputed”

    imputed

    4.

    Theology . to attribute (righteousness, guilt, etc.) to a person or persons vicariously; ascribe as derived from another.

    (Both definitions from dictionary.com)

    Rom 1:17

    For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.” [fn]

    More verses containing this phrase HERE.

    Imputed means that God takes our sin and lays them on Jesus Christ at the cross. In exchange, Jesus Christ is in us (through the Holy Spirit) and God sees us as perfect – even though we aren’t perfect – because of what Jesus accomplished for us at the cross. Through confession and repentance, our sins are forgiven – past, present and future; not because of what we have done, but because of what Jesus has done for us!

    Eph 2:8

    For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

    Eph 2:9

    not of works, lest anyone should boast.

    Eph 2:10

    For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

    So, when we die, we go to heaven because of what Jesus has done for us. The perfection of Jesus is imputed upon each believer, so that when we stand before Holy God on Judgment Day (the Judgment Seat of Christ) we are seen as cleansed of our sin through the righteousness of Christ, our Lord and Savior, and can enter into the joy of the Lord in heaven.

    Now, to take this an important step further, we look at what Paul wrote in Romans 6:1-2

    Rom 6:1

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

    Rom 6:2

    Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

    So, the idea that one can go on sinning because sins have been forgiven doesn’t hold water. Furthermore:

    Rom 6:3

    Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

    Rom 6:4

    Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    We don’t deliberately WANT to sin anymore, because we are being sanctified daily and wish to please God.

    The pedophile priests who continued on in years of sinful acts did not heed biblical instruction. It is possible that they were not saved in the first place. [Note: I do know saved Catholics who have stepped over into the infused category as born again Christians.]

    I would need to study more about Martin Luther’s treatment of the Jews. However, throughout history, Roman Catholicism often treated Jews badly too. The reason may have been that they had the mentality that the “Jews killed Jesus,” rather than the proper exegesis from Scripture where Jesus told us that He laid down His own life of His own accord.

    Studying the Bible for over 25 years now has shown me how much God reveres the Jewish people and their Holy Land of Israel. That is why there are so many Christian organizations that help and support the Jewish people and nation.

    Thank you for the correction regarding the terms “honorary” vs. “honorable.”

    I plan to continue the discussion later. One of my dogs needs to see the vet today.

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    • gmpilot Says:

      Like you, I am pressed for time, so I shall make this brief.

      You wrote:

      The pedophile priests who continued on in years of sinful acts did not heed biblical instruction. It is possible that they were not saved in the first place. [Note: I do know saved Catholics who have stepped over into the infused category as born again Christians.]

      Yes, they did not heed biblical instruction—that ‘free will’ clause again, no doubt. But it is also possible that god did not wish for them to be saved.
      As I have said before, most Christians seem to believe that nothing happens unless god desires it, or chooses not to prevent it.

      For the first time in a very long while, you appear to be taking me seriously, so I will respond in kind. While you learn some more about Martin Luther, I will search more about blood moons, such as other times when they appeared, and to whom. If there’s some specific thing in them that applied to Israel and no one else, then we’ll have something. Perhaps we’ll both learn something.

      I appreciate the truce.

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  15. christinewjc Says:

    Being “pressed for time” seems to have become a lifestyle for me lately! There is always something more to do! LOL

    Anyway, about your comment here, GM:

    Yes, they did not heed biblical instruction—that ‘free will’ clause again, no doubt. But it is also possible that god did not wish for them to be saved.

    The only problem with your theory are these Bible verses:

    2Pe 3:9

    The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, [fn] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

    The fact that God desires that “all should come to repentance demonstrates His ongoing mercy and grace towards us sinners.

    Jesus reiterates the fact that his first coming was for the repentance of sins through the cross, and then none who are his will perish.

    Jhn 10:28

    “And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

    What Jesus accomplished at Calvary satisfied both Holy God and sinful man. This is where the free will of people and the desire of God come to fruition. It is a difficult concept for non-believers to understand. But further study in the Bible shows the entirety of the theme running throughout Scripture.

    I have not done any research on Martin Luther, but am still reading
    Hitchcock’s book – a few pages at a time.

    It is interesting to note that one big development has occurred re: peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. The talks have totally broken down because Abbas (PA leader) has taken up with two terrorist organizations (Hamas and the Fatah faction – which ironically used to be enemies of each other) to form a “unity government” with them, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu KNOWS that such an alliance against Israel is not good, cannot be tolerated, and completely diminishes any chance for peace!

    Despite the title given in this Union Tribune article, there is no way that Israel could ever accept what Abbas wants in order to achieve peace. What Abbas REALLY wants is Israel in pieces – preferably out of existence.

    Could the blood moon that appeared on Passover have been a sign of this development? Or, is it just the start of something bigger? We will have to continue to watch further developments and see what happens next.

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  16. christinewjc Says:

    Also see:

    WND: Middle East Stunner Follows Blood Moon.

    Excerpt:

    With much of the world in shock over the fact the latest America-brokered peace talks between Israel and Palestinian broke down, one Tacoma, Washington, based pastor wasn’t all that surprised.

    After all, major events in the Middle East have accompanied a “blood moon” before.

    Mark Biltz, discoverer of the blood moons phenomenon and author of the hot-selling book “Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs,” appeared on Barry Farber’s nationally syndicated talk show prior to the April 15 astronomical occurrence.

    He told Farber, “God would have any peace talks involving dividing the land of Israel to break down as He is opposed to it. If peace talks do come to fruition that involve dividing the land of Israel they won’t last long as God’s judgment would come fast and furious.”

    The Israeli government suspended peace talks on Thursday over an agreement the Palestinians announced involving two factions, one of whom refuses to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a nation.

    Farber was reached by phone on Friday and told WND he was amazed by the comments Biltz made on his show more than two weeks ago and how it related to the first blood moon, which happened early on the morning of April 15.

    “My belief cage is getting larger and larger as I grow older. At half my age I would have sneered at someone like Mark Biltz. I would have broken off an engagement if my intended spouse did not join me in that sneering. As I live and as I see and as I learn, I am virtually at the point where the blood moons (event) is at least as reliable as the Associated Press news ticker. Thinking back upon our fascinating conversation live on my national radio, I have to say the most accurate prognosticator so far this season is – Mark Biltz,” he said.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/middle-east-stunner-follows-blood-moon/#Zc2PfUdxRB3Dicxx.99

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  17. gmpilot Says:

    It’s not a theory, Christine, and I wouldn’t dignify it as such. It’s a hypothesis.
    I’ll say it once more: if an all-powerful god does not wish for something to happen, it will not happen.

    You quoted it yourself:

    2Pe 3:9
    The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

    Yet we perish all the time, do we not? Including many who had no need for ‘longsuffering’? You said,

    The fact that God desires that “all should come to repentance demonstrates His ongoing mercy and grace towards us sinners.

    But since god’s desires are supreme, then everyone will come to repentance, and everyone will be saved. We know that’s not going to happen, though, because as you emphasized,

    Jesus reiterates the fact that his first coming was for the repentance of sins through the cross, and then none who are his will perish.

    Obviously, most of us are meant to perish. One can only conclude that this is what god desires.

    In the post immediately above, you quote Mark Biltz as saying, “God would have any peace talks involving dividing the land of Israel to break down as He is opposed to it.”
    Well, there you go. If god doesn’t want any peace talks dividing Israel to happen, they won’t happen, and if god doesn’t want some people to be saved, they won’t be saved. It’s part of the Grand Plan, just like the murder of his son was.

    You have a history of dropping threads when it suits you, so I’ll just wait and see what you find out on Martin Luther. But I’ll be ready if you want to continue.

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  18. christinewjc Says:

    You neglected to notice the word “should” in the verse where God is not willing that any should perish, but come to repentance. Of course, the free will given to human beings means that some (in fact, many – like you) will reject God’s provision for forgiveness and new life in Christ Jesus; therefore, they (and you) will reap the consequences of such a decision.

    As usual, you like to take your failed response to God’s provision and cast it onto God as an error or failure of some kind. You can’t have it both ways. Those who fail to heed the Gospel message only have themselves to blame. It is their error, (and your error) to refuse such a provision. So be it.

    In a comment in my new thread, you claimed that I have “dropped” this thread on blood moons. What is it that you want me to do here? Convince you of something that you choose to reject? Have you read any of the blood moons books to add to the discussion? No. Didn’t think so. So why should I continue with a subject that you choose to ridicule? Your continuous hatred towards God is loud and clear – and your rejection of the Godhead’s decision for salvation through Christ is very evident. Why continue to talk about something that you reject and ridicule? I’ve got other topics to cover in new posts.

    Martin Luther was a great man in Christendom, but he was a sinner (as we all are) in need of the Savior. Whatever errors and sins he committed are between him and God. As long as his faith in Christ was genuine, he’s saved and with the Lord at his passing from this world.

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  19. gmpilot Says:

    You originally neglected the phrase “not willing” in that same verse. From what I’ve heard Christians say, if god is not willing for something to happen, it won’t, and if he is, it will. Our “free will” has nothing to do with it—only HIS will matters.
    Either we determine our own fates, or he does. You can’t have it both ways.
    At least you’re not calling the gospel message a ‘free gift’ any more.

    You do have a long history of dropping threads. You did it on both your former sites, and not always with me, but mostly me. I know that must hurt, but you can’t deny it. You even admitted it, once.

    ”So why should I continue with a subject that you choose to ridicule? Your continuous hatred towards God is loud and clear…”

    It’s a fairly easy subject to ridicule, but I didn’t choose to ridicule it; I chose to correct it. “Blood moons” are a rare-but-not-unique event. It must have been seen in the Middle East long, long before, or the biblical passage wouldn’t exist. It’s possible—even probable—that other people in other lands have seen it too, and claimed it forecast some disaster for them. But they also likely never heard of your god or his Israel, so any red moon would have applied to what they believed. That would mean the Jewish experience was not unique.
    I don’t hate that god any more than I hate Dracula, and for exactly the same reason. You just don’t happen to like that reason. So be it.

    ”Why continue to talk about something that you reject and ridicule? I’ve got other topics to cover in new posts.”

    Some of which consist of the same rejection and ridicule that you accuse me of! Gee, what’s that word…hypoc…?

    ”Martin Luther was a great man in Christendom, but he was a sinner (as we all are) in need of the Savior. Whatever errors and sins he committed are between him and God.”

    Supposedly the same applies to me, but you don’t seem to think so. If god exists and he’s upset with me, he’ll let me (not you) know. But lacking any evidence, then either I’m not worthy of his attention, or he’s not around to notice. Or maybe he slotted me for his wrath long ago, ’cause he knew in advance I’d come to this.
    Okay, you’ve done your duty as you see fit. As for me, I’ll do as I promised, and keep quiet for a while.

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  20. christinewjc Says:

    Off topic, but if I were you, I would keep quiet now too. The written proof has now been revealed that Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the Demonrats of this BADministration LIED and DECEIVED the American people by blaming an obscure internet video for the Benghazi attacks that killed 4 Americans. if this came out before the 2012 election, Mitt Romney would have been President.

    How embarrassed you must be to finally see that your “hero” has become the zero that I have always suspected he was…

    This Obama deception is more shameful and far worse than Nixon’s. No one died during Watergate.

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  21. gmpilot Says:

    I wouldn’t go there if I were you. Watergate was 40 years ago; 9-11 and the subsequent Iraq War is much more recent.
    How many died during 9-11? How many times were we told that Saddam Hussein was probably involved? How about those Weapons of Mass Destruction we were told he was hiding, and why did the Pentagon call off the search after a year and a half? Why did the Iraqis not welcome us as liberators, as we were told they would? And who never managed to find Osama bin Laden, despite having seven years to do it?

    How many people died for those deceptions and lies?
    No, Christine, you don’t want to go there.

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  22. christinewjc Says:

    Whoa!! I think I’ve hit the proverbial nerve of GM. Or, should I write woe* to you! For someone who wrote that he plans to “keep quiet for a while,” the exposure of the truth about lying Obama and his BADministration certainly got you all riled up in anger.

    Mister – I don’t need to “go there.” There are PLENTY of others who have been pursuing the truth, and many will continue to pursue the truth about Benghazi.

    There are bloggers writing far worse scenarios than I have regarding the entire Libya debacle.

    As far as “lies being told” goes – Obama and his evil regime are masters at it! And the gullible bots (like you) that watch the shills in the media of mass deception spew their Agenda 21 lies at ordinary Americans (who, unfortunately, trusted these evildoers) may now wake up and smell the utilization of taqiyya– the method for wreaking havoc through jihad upon America; mixed in with some Putin commie tyranny.

    How sad it is that you have blinders on, precisely because the darkness has blinded you to the truth. What’s more, because of your reprobation and unrepentance to God, you are perishing and therefore, your eyes are veiled to the truth.

    *woe:

    Isa 5:20

    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
    Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
    Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    Isa 5:21

    Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
    And prudent in their own sight!

    Isa 5:18

    Woe to those who draw iniquity with cords of vanity,
    And sin as if with a cart rope;

    Isa 10:1

    “Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees,
    Who write misfortune,
    Which they have prescribed

    Isa 29:15

    Woe to those who seek deep to hide their counsel far from the LORD,
    And their works are in the dark;
    They say, “Who sees us?” and, “Who knows us?”

    Mic 2:1

    Woe to those who devise iniquity,
    And work out evil on their beds!
    At morning light they practice it,
    Because it is in the power of their hand.

    Luk 11:52

    “Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.”

    Prophecy:

    Isa 5:24

    Therefore, as the fire devours the stubble,
    And the flame consumes the chaff,
    So their root will be as rottenness,
    And their blossom will ascend like dust;
    Because they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts,
    And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

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  23. gmpilot Says:

    I’ve been hearing variations of “any day now” from you for over six years.
    The world has been hearing variations of “any day now” for two thousand years.
    The track record on both has been pretty shabby.
    But I’m willing to let you have all the time you need to fail…again.

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  24. Cry and Howl Says:

    Wow! I’m glad, as always I took the time to stop by. I have to say, the dialogue is very entertaining. I stumbled across a cool video Christine … I’m not sure if the links work here, but I’ll give it a try … Both of you should enjoy this:

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  25. christinewjc Says:

    Hi Steve!

    What a GREAT video! thanks so much for sharing it here!

    The speaker makes excellent points and exposes the irrationality of the atheist haters. How can one be offended by a message or display about God when he/she (supposedly) doesn’t believe in Him?

    But we DO know why! Scripture informs us:

    1Pe 2:6

    Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

    “Behold, I lay in Zion
    A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
    And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” [fn]

    1Pe 2:7

    Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, [fn]

    “The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone,” [fn]

    1Pe 2:8

    and

    “A stone of stumbling
    And a rock of offense.” [fn]
    They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

    1Co 1:18

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

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